quietheartedfsc: Would our panelists please introduce themselves.
beachbum3668: Hi, I’m BeachBum
DiNovia: I’m DiNovia!
LemonOrange: hi, i’m LemonOrange (aka Adrienne Lee aka deBonheur – yes a name for each fandom. sigh)
quietheartedfsc: I think we already covered fav pairings in the earlier talk
quietheartedfsc: To what do each of you attribute the longevity of this fandom
Xenavirgin: It’s damn brilliant???
Xenavirgin: Who can resist the younger woman and powerful cougar motif??
beachbum3668: Lara, is right, but I think we have to give credit to the on-going fascination with all things Star Trek
TegansMuse: ROFL Xenavirgin
DiNovia: The strength of the female characters in the canon world, the continued work and visibility and support of Jeri Ryan, and the fans themselves. Everyone on VJB is a family. The group has been around and active daily since 2000.
beachbum3668: I mean with JJ Abrams doing his take on TOS it’s just fueled interest in a whole new generation of Trekkers
Xenavirgin: Well yeah there is the Trek angle too BB, lolol. But I got into J/7 kind of despite that fact. never having been a Trekkie as such.
beachbum3668: Once you get into Voyager the subtext just grabs you
raiderL: Agree, it’s the Star Trek mystique. Especially when it’s not always all about J/7!
Xenavirgin: DiNOvia: Bowing, bowing, bowing…we’re not worthy! How ya doing?
Otakugamer01: i was a trekkie, loved TNG but Voyager and more importantly Janeway captured by imagination
DiNovia: True, BB. Even before Seven arrived, there was subtext between Janeway and B’Elanna and later, Janeway and Kes
TegansMuse: wait, raiderL there are non subtexty eps???
shaych03: it’s all about 7 – or Jeri Ryan’s portrayal of her, really. Put her in a room with any other character and you have story potential because of what Seven really was – a catalyst for discovering human truths
beachbum3668: you bet. I have no idea if the writers just had no idea what to do with a female captain or if it was deliberate, but the subtext was there
Xenavirgin: LOL Tegan…yeah apparently the ones with Plank Boy, ewwwww
quietheartedfsc: as an aside if you’re Janeway fans check out her new series on netflix Orange is the New Black.
raiderL: Oh, not knocking the J/7 subtext. My imagination just does the Klingon thing!
TegansMuse: double ewwww xena
DiNovia: Well said, Shay.
beachbum3668: Oh please! Do we have to deal with Planky this early in the discussion? Can’t we impose a NO PLANKY ban??
raiderL: I second the no wood zone
quietheartedfsc: many of us did that in our fic, Beach
TegansMuse: I second that BeachBum
Xenavirgin: That’s the beauty of fanfic Tegan, you get to fix those eps, by I don’t know, dropping a cow on Plank boy’s head. heheh
LemonOrange: lol re planky
DiNovia: That’s an image.
quietheartedfsc: *opening door and tossing the Oak head out*
beachbum3668: I still DO QH. It ain’t a finished fic until Plank-boy gets bashed a couple of times
MiddleEarthBarbie: Perfectly logical occurrence
LemonOrange: he simply disappears from my universe from early on.
beachbum3668: I do so enjoy writing him out
Xenavirgin: It was rather weird for me, as I got into the fanfic LOoooong before I bothered to even watch the show.
TegansMuse: LO that’s the best way to handle him
raiderL: ok we’re still talking about him!
quietheartedfsc: You know I waited years to watch the final episode. Now I wish I could still say I waited in many ways.
TegansMuse: OH right he’s been airlocked. Back to the hot femmes
DiNovia: Never saw it.
beachbum3668: And you WATCHED IT???
beachbum3668: God, did you require drugs afterwards?
Xenavirgin: Yeah but QH, The ADMiral!!! You gotta see the Admiral!!! WOrth it for her alone. :0
quietheartedfsc: I fell prey to Admiral Janeway….I have a thing for white hair.
caillean: One of the best things about fanfic is you get to get rid of the characters you don’t like, send them off on a mission, lock them in a trunk, etc.
Xenavirgin: QH, **Snicker, heheh
TegansMuse: lol QH
LemonOrange: agreed. or make them divorce their spouse and hook up with hot Borg
MiddleEarthBarbie: Conveniently long away mission…
TegansMuse: LO that’s always the way to go
Otakugamer01: Admiral Janeway was hot…she could command me any day
beachbum3668: Hell, as many transports as he crashed, it’s easy to write him out in the first 2 pages…
quietheartedfsc: ^5 Ota
caillean: Hehe, that’s true
TegansMuse: you need two whole pages BB?
beachbum3668: yeah, I’d follow Admiral janeway long before I’d follow Captain Janeway
DiNovia: Was actually contemplating a new fic that takes place post-last ep. Would end up B/7 of course, but there’s always the sticking point of Chuckles. Or Planky. Whatever we’re calling him these days.
beachbum3668: Well, If you’re really going to SELL it you may need 2 pages
raiderL: Why not write him out when the Caretaker’s array trashed everything.
quietheartedfsc: AJ had that lil bit of extra crazy that’s so delicious
Otakugamer01: i don’t know Admiral Janeway and Captain Janeway at the same time…hehe
TegansMuse: OH Otaku you are bad 😛
DiNovia: Ooh, Raider. Have him die but keep the Betazoid first officer. She was great. Briefly.
Xenavirgin: Oh Lord, jumping into the Threesomes Otak??
quietheartedfsc: I think someone wrote that fic, Ota
beachbum3668: I’d like to ask the other writers in here a question. Is it just me, or is it kind of REQUIRED that you have your own rewrite of ENDGAME?
Xenavirgin: Yeah there are several of those QH. heheh
LemonOrange: Di: we could assume the break up attempt succeeded.
LemonOrange: i don’t think i
Xenavirgin: Hmmmm, rewrite of the ep itself BB, or the After it?
quietheartedfsc: Not so sure it’s a requirement as much as a deep seated need to make it all end the right way
beachbum3668: Rewrite of the EP itself
LemonOrange: oops – don’t think i’ve re-written endgame but worked around it
beachbum3668: writing it like it SHOULD have gone
TegansMuse: even though I don’t think anyone here besides LO has read me, I haven’t gotten to Endgame in my series yet, but I assume there will come a point when that happens. so yeah… agree with QH a deep need
DiNovia: Since I refused to watch it and all my fic thus far has taken place before its events, I don’t deal with it, as such.
beachbum3668: I’ve done lots of POST_Endgame fics, but I mean an actual rewrite of the ep
Xenavirgin: Hmmm, no, well, it can be useful and I admit I’ve done…not that anyone knows because I haven’t posted that part yet… lol
beachbum3668: I mean we all hated it right?
quietheartedfsc: only a few specific parts, Beach
beachbum3668: So what about taking a shot at doing what TPTB should have done?
LemonOrange: endgame itself doesn’t bother me as much as some of the other eps? like human error…
caillean: I’ve read you Tegansmuse, just not for a while.
DiNovia: Raider? Your hand is raised?
LemonOrange: or unimatrix zero
raiderL: This discussion of how to deal with an inconvenient plot element/character. How do you all feel about breaking from canon when writing? Does it bother you? And I mean totally disregarding episodes and creating your own take that changes the rest of the universe.
TegansMuse: Parts of it QH and it felt like it was a hey we’re at the end and don’t know what to do, let’s throw the two most unlikely people together and get them back to earth in 2 hours or less
Xenavirgin: Well, Raidr I always say, there’s Canon, and then there’s Fanon, and I sure get them mixed up a lot.
beachbum3668: I still maintain the Braga lost a bet with Planky.
TegansMuse: lol Xena I think I suffer from that
LemonOrange: as a rule i try to stick as close to canon as possible and work with TPTB’s foibles (to put it nicely)
caillean: It bothers me sometimes, but when the story is really good, I can go off in that direction with no problem, especially if its an ongoing story.
DiNovia: Oh, I love the idea of changing canon to suit my universe. I haven’t done it successfully, though. I had a great idea for an epic fic that had them crash landing on a class M planet and working out how to survive.
Xenavirgin: And Raidr, I really like the fics that go off Canon, so long as what is created still contains decent characterisation.
beachbum3668: Raidr – I stick with Canon as much as I can and if I need to veer afield, I try to keep it as close to what actually happened as I can.
raiderL: Agree XV, I’ll read just about anything if I like the pairing and it’s well-written
TegansMuse: For me since i write OFC, I stray from canon from the get go at least in adding my own flare and it probably just gets worse from there
raiderL: and adheres to their basic character traits
LemonOrange: lol TM whatever you’re doing w it, works
beachbum3668: Here’s another question – which is more crucial to a good voyager fic: characterization or plot?
Xenavirgin: Raidr, I suppose that might beg the question, is characterisation dictated by canon, or is it only the situational details.
TegansMuse: I agree Raider I at least try to keep the canon characters in character
DiNovia: writing against canon is one thing but making the characters OOC is entirely different. I don’t like OOC.
TegansMuse: Thanks LO *blush*
caillean: that’s key, I think raiderL, if you recognize the characters and their actions stay true to their character then a lot of the other details are possible
DiNovia: BB: characterization, hands down.
LemonOrange: i don’t like OOC either
TegansMuse: I agree Di
raiderL: I think the essence of character transcends canon
quietheartedfsc: Characterizaion for fanfic, get it wrong and it doesn’t matter how good the plot is.
beachbum3668: So as long as we keep the characters true to themselves we can pretty much do what we want with them?
Xenavirgin: BB, for me it’s characterisation. You can have a great plot, but if you weaken the characterisation it can come across as a generic lesbian fic rather than fandom fic.
raiderL: Yes BB
TegansMuse: agree Characteristion first, but I’m not big on PWPs
DiNovia: Yes, BB.
caillean: I agree with that
raiderL: oooh, there’s a time and a place for PWP!
beachbum3668: I ask because i have received some flaming emails about my departures from Canon, LOL
quietheartedfsc: Not if you’re planning to kill one off forever.
raiderL: BB, really?1
DiNovia: Agree, Tegan. I like to see some thought in a story.
TegansMuse: well this is true Raider but as a whole I want some plot
Xenavirgin: Yeah, Raidr there is, it’s called Foreplay. heheh
DiNovia: Can you give us an example, BB?
raiderL: XV, and I wouldn’t know a thing about that!
quietheartedfsc: Fanficers can get really set on how things should follow Canon.
TegansMuse: BB flames are good at least they were moved enough by your writing to send you something to heat your home in the colder months
LemonOrange: isn’t slash by definition deviation from canon?
raiderL: I think life’s too short to drink swill and get hung up on canon.
Xenavirgin: Good point Lemon
raiderL: Lemon, agree!
Otakugamer01: i don’t mind deviating from canon but OCC characterizations or off the wall over the top violence..yeah don’t like that in any fandom
raiderL: So why limit yourself?
beachbum3668: I got flamed for marrying Janeway and Seven in Decisions and Destiny
caillean: What also helps IMO, is having the stories true to the character of the show. Like, don’t turn an adventure, problem solving type show into a sappy romance. You can have an element of the sappy romance in it, but I like when it also has some element of the original style of the show
TegansMuse: I don’t know LO look at the subtext…. wasn’t that Canon? We just take it a step further
raiderL: BB, oi!
Otakugamer01: I love that fic
Xenavirgin: You married em both BB?? welll.
beachbum3668: Yep…got called some REALLY iinteresting names on that one let me tell you
DiNovia: Well said, Caillean.
caillean: Then again, sometimes, it’s fun to totally divert and experiment, and that can be fun too.
TegansMuse: Ouch BB
LemonOrange: agreed cailean
raiderL: def. caillean
TegansMuse: Agree with both statements caillean
quietheartedfsc: How often have ya’ll gotten flamed for a fic?
Xenavirgin: So in relation to the Canon idea, what do you all feel about crossovers??
beachbum3668: I agree. I mean, the series was set in space…in a hostile quadrant. They got into fights every week for one reason or another
TegansMuse: I personally like crossovers if the work together
beachbum3668: thankfully not that often.
quietheartedfsc: xv, love them if they’re done right and are plausible
DiNovia: Flaming for marrying a slash couple in a slash story? How many times have we married B/7? Crikey.
beachbum3668: Not that fond of crossovers
TegansMuse: and if the xover is believable
Xenavirgin: Yeah me too QH…like one of yours heheh
mandygirl78: I like crossovers
raiderL: Ask Jazzy about X-overs!
caillean: I think they can be fun and like you are saying, believable
quietheartedfsc: xv, I’ve a goal to cross dwp with everything eventually.
raiderL: And QH – both successes!
Xenavirgin: The Xover for J/7 that blew me out of the water was Blondes and Redheads xover with ER
LemonOrange: if theyre believable, sure. dwp?
quietheartedfsc: ty raider
jazwriter: not fond of crossovers, Beach? *pouts*
DiNovia: I have gotten flamed for one story and it was an ER fic. I never wrote in that fandom again.
Xenavirgin: Oooo Sounds like a plan QH. heheh
caillean: That can be a fun challenge too, to do xovers where you wouldn’t think it would work. that’s harder though
Xenavirgin: Lemon: DWP = Devil Wears Prada
beachbum3668: Not fond of Xovers…I guess I have a hard time suspending my preconceived notions enough to buy into the premise
quietheartedfsc: took a lot of thinking to cross voyager and DWP
LemonOrange: Ah. thanks XV!
TegansMuse: I’ve done SVU/Xfiles crossover…. and a little SG1/Voy just in the beginning to get an OFC where she needed to be.
beachbum3668: Don’t pout Jazzy – I like yours
tassiedevil7: please do.
MiddleEarthBarbie: Same BB, needs a plausible link somewhere
caillean: Tegansmuse did an awesome xover
LemonOrange: 2nd that re TM’s xover
caillean: oh yes, that’s the one svu/xfiles
Xenavirgin: Yeah QH, and ya did it Bril…and started a trend. heheh
jazwriter: *blows kiss to Beach*
tassiedevil7: xovers are genneraly either really good or really bad
TegansMuse: Thanks Caillean You were my beta for that one!
TegansMuse: thanks LO *blush*
raiderL: success for a crossover comes down to characterizations AND plot
jazwriter: QH’s xover is great
caillean: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that
LemonOrange: how crew 1 meets crew 2 is the part that gets me
quietheartedfsc: I know! All of a sudden there were all these stories with the same xover.
TegansMuse: lol it was a looooong time ago Caillean
beachbum3668: QH – liked yours too…sorry: brain fart
mandygirl78: Depends on how you use crossovers, the plot and chracterization makes ALL the difference.
DiNovia: I’ve only written one xover: B/7 and CSI:Miami. All about that ridiculous computer they use on CSIM. Reminds me of Astrometrics.
raiderL: keep true to characters and then come up with a compelling story – like a SG fic with SVU can”t remember name – interesting stuff.
quietheartedfsc: sokay, Beach. personal preference is never an issue for me.
TegansMuse: Oh QH I think you always need to start with how they came together. No pun intended
beachbum3668: Well, if you start with Voyager you’ve always got the time travel card to play so a crossover with almost any other fandom is possible
LemonOrange: BB – thats very true!
jazwriter: Or Q interfering
caillean: that’s true about voyager!
TegansMuse: Exactly BB
Xenavirgin: Yeah time travel, an interesting use.
raiderL: Time travel – the ultimate plot device or cop-out. Dpends about how it’s used
quietheartedfsc: exactly, Beach. It’s just a matter of giving it a plausible reason to happen.
caillean: who’s going to write voyager/little house on the prairie?
jazwriter: Writtensword wrote a DWP story with Q acting up
tassiedevil7: *calls dibs on that*
LemonOrange: OMG caillean
caillean: yeah, raiderL, that’s true
TegansMuse: no…. *shakes head and stares blankly at caillean*
raiderL: Loved that Q story – brill!
tassiedevil7: caillean, thank you for the brilliant idea!
beachbum3668: Yep…then you get to play with the Janeway “time Travel always gives me a headache” thingy and Seven coming to the rescue with some nifty Borg algorithms
Xenavirgin: There was one fic that had shades of Ironman in it, I really enjoyed that one. And it introduced the idea of two characters of an Older Seven with the younger Seven, like Admiral and Captain J. Brilliant stuff.
caillean: LOL< do it tassiedevil
quietheartedfsc: send the name on, xv
Xenavirgin: Just a sec.
tassiedevil7: could be hard seems how iv never watched little house on the prairie, but ill try anything once!
raiderL: XV, you got spreadsheets for Voyager as well?
caillean: YW, tassiedevil! I want to read that one!
quietheartedfsc: What would the ultimate crossover be for ya’ll?
TegansMuse: That’s the spirit Tassie
beachbum3668: She STARTED with Voyager spreadsheets
raiderL: It’s been done. DWP and HP!
quietheartedfsc: XV has a spreadsheet for everything.
Xenavirgin: QH it’s called Valkerie by Vyrexuviel, but I don’t have the link… I do have the fic though.
raiderL: ah, BB, that’s why she’s so damn good!
TegansMuse: not sure I have an ultimate xover
mandygirl78: That’s a vague question QH
caillean: It’s on hallmark or some weird cable channel around dinner. I flipped by it one night recently
Xenavirgin: I spread what?1!?!?!?
quietheartedfsc: *puppy eyes at xv*
TegansMuse: ROFL XV *I didn’t look*
LemonOrange: i’m x-ing STV and DS9 – does that count?
quietheartedfsc: Now so, Mandy?
raiderL: Love, XV, love!
quietheartedfsc: yep, counts Lemon
Xenavirgin: Yep Qh just a sec.
TegansMuse: yes LO I think it counts…. in my book it counts
caillean: I think it counts LO
beachbum3668: I gotta go with JAZZY’s Cerulean Dragon as my fav xover
raiderL: Second that bb!
caillean: what was crossover was that?
quietheartedfsc: That is an excellent one
tassiedevil7: best xover is criminal minds/xmen. brilliant!
mandygirl78: Because, it depends on the genre, type, etc. I could have an ultimate for sitcoms, and utimate for drama, an ultimate for yuri, etc.
raiderL: Miranda as a witch… sigh.
beachbum3668: it’s DWP and HP
beachbum3668: and BRILLIANT
raiderL: Sexy as all get out!
beachbum3668: Premise is fantastic as is the execution
LemonOrange: note to self: must catch up on reading
beachbum3668: I still want to get my hands on that spellbook!
quietheartedfsc: Miranda Priestly, Dragon Tamer
beachbum3668: Dragon Whisperer
DiNovia: That sounds fantastic! I will have to read it.
jazwriter: *blushes* thanks for the praise Raider and Beach!
raiderL: just calling it like it is!
the_dhamphir: it’s worth the read!
quietheartedfsc: I stand corrected, Beach. And I beta’d for it. lol
beachbum3668: jazzy – are you SURE you don’t have the excerpts from that spellbook?????
Xenavirgin: Okies QH, present is sent.
quietheartedfsc: ty, dahlin
jazwriter: I’m sorry…it’s been handed down by generations, and only certain individuals have access to it
Xenavirgin: Speaking of the Spreadsheet, (I didn’t bring it up, lol) I am doing a major revamp of my J/7 sheet during August.
beachbum3668: Hey – I’m Gryffindor to the bone….I want a shot at it!
jazwriter: QH was a champ with the edits
quietheartedfsc: she won’t even let her loyal betas take a peek.
beachbum3668: *heavy sigh*
jazwriter: lol Beach
mandygirl78: @beach – Then you and Betty from bomb girls would be best friends! LOL!
raiderL: Slytherin all the way! I think that should count!
beachbum3668: Okay – that leads to another question: BETAS? yes or no
TegansMuse: I have a ? How many of you actively have someone BETA your work?
quietheartedfsc: Do ya’ll have any new stories in the works? Or updates on current ones?
TegansMuse: GMTA BB
raiderL: Hell yes!!! Betas rock!
mandygirl78: Don’t get me started on reliable betas….
jazwriter: BETAS, BETAS, BETAS!!!!! YESSSSS
caillean: When you’re a beta, you get a sneak preview. hehe
beachbum3668: Nothing I write gets near being posted until two betas have gone over it with a fine tooth comb
Xenavirgin: I have my main Beta reader over on the couch asleep, heheh my Lady Wife. :0
raiderL: I just found the best damn Beta and she rocked my last fic.
quietheartedfsc: Betas are a must! I try to have at least 3.
DiNovia: You can’t catch everything yourself. A reliable, talented BETA is like gold.
shaych03: and just as hard to find
LemonOrange: would like one – TM has been wonderful though reading fresh of keyboard
Xenavirgin: I’m determined to finish up the J/7 I started, When All is Said and Done.
TegansMuse: LO I”ve offered lol
mandygirl78: Finding a RELIABLE beta for a story is like a task in itself.
TegansMuse: I’m in need of one too
beachbum3668: when I get asked what’s most important for a fanfic writer I tell them to find a beta who’s a marine DI and listen to everything they say
jazwriter: I am fortunate to have a few great betas
TegansMuse: My old Beta works too hard 😛 though I still love her
quietheartedfsc: or one that has a fetish for red ink
DiNovia: I’m working on some original work right now. My 9yo niece and I are writing a book of poetry together. But I have some ideas for new fics and a desire to finish some old ones just hanging out there. *sigh* Those weigh on me.
DiNovia: BB: LOL
LemonOrange: i’m working on sequel to “Year of Dishonor”
beachbum3668: I still keep the first draft of my first fic….when it came back from the beta it looked like somebody had slaughtered a pig on it there was so much red ink
Xenavirgin: LOLOLOl Poor BB
jazwriter: @QH *whispers -> stop telling all my secrets*
mandygirl78: What about LACK OF BETAS for a fanfic…
beachbum3668: find one
quietheartedfsc: when I got my first one back from jaz, it looked like a remake of Jason Does Beta. I cried.
beachbum3668: check into the communities to see who’s listed as available to beta
mandygirl78: Or better yet, lack of RELIABLE BETAS…
TegansMuse: I don’t mind betaing at all, but I feel I have to apologize when I send it back for all the redmarks
Xenavirgin: I think then if you haven’t had a Beta the least you can do is utilize your spell/grammar checker.
beachbum3668: ASK people to beta
raiderL: XV – hell yeah!
jazwriter: Sorry, QH. Didn’t mean to make you cry
mandygirl78: And what if they all said no?
raiderL: I actually had my beta volunteer!
beachbum3668: Never apologize for bleeding on a fic. Correct grammar and punctuation and spelling only strengthen a story
jazwriter: Gin didn’t send me anything for months after the first time I betaed her
quietheartedfsc: Yes, you did. And I needed to. I was totally sloppy with grammar and such
the_dhamphir: a good beta is worth their weight in gold!
LemonOrange: TM: i agree w BB
quietheartedfsc: youse a hellion with that red ink, grrrl
mandygirl78: YOu making it sound easier than it really is
TegansMuse: true…. but it’s the pisces in me. I can’t help but feel bad
jazwriter: I have a box full of red pens, and I’m not afraid to use them!
raiderL: I hadn’t felt so picked apart since design school when my beta got done with it.
beachbum3668: And – for what its worth – I damn near cried when I got that first draft back.
beachbum3668: then I got pissed
raiderL: bb – pissed at yourself?
TegansMuse: Raider you have to not take it personally. it doesn’t mean they didn’t like your story
beachbum3668: then I actually READ what she suggested and realized that she was dead square right on everything she suggested
quietheartedfsc: mandy, that’s true. It isn’t easy to find a good beta. A lot of those lists are out of date.
jazwriter: I think any good writer will want to improve, regardless of hurt feelings
beachbum3668: No pissed at the beta
Xenavirgin: Lost Fic. How do we feel about fics that we once read that are no longer available online. With the loss of geocities etc, the older fandoms like Xena and Voyager were decimated.
TegansMuse: Agreed BB
raiderL: Tegan – oh I know that. I relished it actually!
mandygirl78: Very QH….
the_dhamphir: they don’t mark it up all red to hurt you…. they’re only there to help you do your best, to help you be better.
mandygirl78: And I’m getting really upset about it as well.
DiNovia: I love to BETA. I beta for my director for his published medical articles. I love the red ink.
raiderL: Design school taught me that criticism is a good thing if it’s constructive Suck it up and learn from it. Get better. It’s a gift!
LemonOrange: agreed JW! i’m usually deliriously happy when i get con crit with that in mind
caillean: I love to Beta too, I just find myself with little time at the moment;
TegansMuse: It’s Sad Xena I also hate when I got to send praise etc to the author and they are nowhere to be found
beachbum3668: Stop and think about it. Every author who’s ever broken into the NY times bestseller list thanks their EDITORS
jazwriter: Good betas donate a lot of time and effort to make the story better…it’s not easy!
quietheartedfsc: mandy, check out all the I love to beta comments. *W*
beachbum3668: and no book gets near a printing press without several editors taking a pass at it
beachbum3668: that ought to tell you something
LemonOrange: yeah, and i get 1st dips caillean!
TegansMuse: Caillean you are a great beta when you have the time
TegansMuse: not uh LO
DiNovia: I’m guilty of being the disappeared writer, so let me apologize for that.
mandygirl78: QH, but do they know the fanfics?
TegansMuse: HOw’s it feel to be fought over caillean?
caillean: LOL, relax guys. I need a new job first
LemonOrange: TM she already did one of yours!
mandygirl78: That’s #1 rule for beta-reading, know the fanfic
caillean: but thank you! LOL
TegansMuse: *glares at Di* though I have been guilty of the same
quietheartedfsc: mandy, check the beta panel. Might find what you want there.
TegansMuse: And it was a series LO
Xenavirgin: Just in case you missed the question i asked. Lost Fic. How do we feel about fics that we once read that are no longer available online. With the loss of geocities etc, the older fandoms like Xena and Voyager were decimated.
quietheartedfsc: If you could see any story as a film, tv show, or web series, which would it be?
mandygirl78: What beta panel? On here? On Ralst?
beachbum3668: I’m crushed. I’ve lost so many of the fics that got me started reading fan fiction
Ravenfairy11: it makes me cry a little and then pout and then want to throw things.
TegansMuse: I answered Xena but then I got lost…
LemonOrange: TM so like i said, 1st dips!
caillean: I miss some, and one fandom or the other took down all her stories for personal reasons. That was sad because I found her stories not only fun to read, but a good writing lesson
raiderL: Lost fics are the bane of the electronic world.
DiNovia: So much of my stuff from back then is lost. Thank goodness for Lunacy and the Athaneum. For the Wayback Machine. I can still read, say, Something More Than This or Raise a Bright Flag of Honor because those places exist.
Xenavirgin: lol Me too Raven And I did see your answer Tegan
quietheartedfsc: Beta panel tomorrow in Room 3. It’s the third panel.
LemonOrange: Lunacy’s site is still around? awesome! i miss the xwp stuff
TegansMuse: good Xena… I meant I got mentally lost though happens to me sometimes. My muses have ADHD
LemonOrange: thanks QH re beta
beachbum3668: My muse throws up her hands and runs screaming into the next county
jazwriter: I’m on it! WOOT!
TegansMuse: BB mine likes to slap me, and pretend I’m the muse (hence the nick)
caillean: LOL TM
caillean: She does act up.
LemonOrange: TM: OH! ive always thought it meant “Tegan IS muse” 😛
mandygirl78: I’ll sure be there… To make it clear how I feel.
quietheartedfsc: When geocities went down, I was highly thankful that I have to make copies to adjust the fonts so I can actually read things.
TegansMuse: lol yes she does Caillean
TegansMuse: no LO it’s Tegan’s muse lol
raiderL: How many of you all save the stories to your hard drive?
DiNovia: Speaking of muses: do you have a personal muse external to you (someone you know) or an internal one that has its own personality?
Xenavirgin: Yeah QH. That’s why I harvest all the fics I like now and keep them as word docs.
beachbum3668: I’m embarassed to admit it, but I downloaded a ton of fics when I first started reading. I’ve still got some
shaych03: there are a couple of sites on the web that did the best they could to archive all of geocities before it went dark
raiderL: me too!
quietheartedfsc: I have both. Q’butt da muse grrl and Gin
TegansMuse: Di I have two internal ones, both female with distinct personalities
TegansMuse: they drive me nuts sometimes
TegansMuse: it’s like a peanut gallery in my head.
LemonOrange: i don’t re saving fics on HD
raiderL: why not?
TegansMuse: me either on saving to HD caillean
caillean: That’s good BB. I’ve been asked for several fics by authors who lost their stuff for one reason or another and because I had beta’d I had them. That’s another nice thing about these communities.
LemonOrange: internal muses, 2: Lemon + Orange
TegansMuse: opps raider
DiNovia: TM: I have one internal with her own personality and I think she’s in a self-induced coma. LOL
Xenavirgin: I don’t know about an external muse I did have some friends who dragged me by drunken promises into writing, does that count as a muse?
Ravenfairy11: i never even thought to save things on my hard drive.
raiderL: opps? TM
quietheartedfsc: I save to usb, and backup to portable HD
beachbum3668: I save to HD then to flash drive
TegansMuse: I got confused Raider, just ignore me for two more seconds
beachbum3668: so I’ve always got a portable copy to carry around in case the pc crashes
LemonOrange: great friends XV
TegansMuse: ok I’m fine now…. I think
raiderL: my personal motto. Back up everything!
quietheartedfsc: I never keep that kind of thing on my HD. I run too many resource hog programs for that.
Ravenfairy11: drunken promises XV? you wench. lol
DiNovia: XV: I think that counts as motivational action LOL
TegansMuse: I do that too BB usually
Xenavirgin: Not so sure Lemon, the fic was done on a drunken dare. lol
beachbum3668: I like drunken dares
beachbum3668: Where’s this fic???
TegansMuse: were you drunk when you wrote it is the more important question Xena?
Xenavirgin: Raven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has Gin been talking??? Who told you the word????
quietheartedfsc: *snicker* I almost said it earlier myself.
Ravenfairy11: what word?
Xenavirgin: BB the fic is Go Inside it’s on my Ffnet page.
Xenavirgin: Oh behave QH.
beachbum3668: bookmarking it now
quietheartedfsc: The word that makes xv go all squishy and MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
TegansMuse: oh I was thinking the safe word
Xenavirgin: Yeah and apoplectic with embarassment
quietheartedfsc: that word is so not safe to use around xv. lmao
Ravenfairy11: uhm wench? lol i was looking up something swan queen on fb. it’s comicon in san diego right now. so that word came to mind when i saw drunken.
Xenavirgin: Have you seen the vid on Fb of me when Claudia Christian whispered it in my ear?? Damn Gin!
Ravenfairy11: alrighty then. i’m going back over here to my corner.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Hehehe
TegansMuse: Now you have to share a link xena
jazwriter: Anyone going to the Staar Trek convention in Las Vegas this year?
TegansMuse: it’s not fair to tease the room like that
Xenavirgin: Pppppppppppfffft what are you doing here Gin? Aren’t you Moderating elsewhere????
beachbum3668: Somebody throw a bucket of water on XV
quietheartedfsc: We’ve got time for one more question
Ravenfairy11: i freaking wish.
DiNovia: XV: Oh myyyyy.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I am…
raiderL: when is the ST Vegas con?
Gin Akasarahsmom: I have many skills..
quietheartedfsc: which explains what panel gin is hosting
raiderL: That’s another question. How many of you all beat yourself up over unfinished fics? And does all that self-flagellation actually get you to finish it?
jazwriter: August 8 – 11
beachbum3668: AUGUST 8 – 11
raiderL: ignore first part. I m curious tho.
TegansMuse: I do sometimes and no it doesn’t help me finish. The muses do and get what the muses want. I have no say.
caillean: Well, I don’t beat myself up, but I would like to finish them
Xenavirgin: Well umm, yes it can help to get beat up so long as they don’t break your fingers so you can still type… lolol
beachbum3668: I beat myself up all the time over unfinished fics
Ravenfairy11: shut up it is??? omfg why god why? i’ll be there 2 days before it starts
quietheartedfsc: I stomped myself into a gooey puddle over unfinished fic for the last 2 years.
Ravenfairy11: *is crying in the corner like a toddler*
LemonOrange: yes i do beat myself up and would like to finish but gotta follow the muses
DiNovia: Raider: I do and no, it doesn’t help. Nothing helps until I reread it and am interested again.
raiderL: We are a tortured lot aren’t we?
TegansMuse: I believe we are Raider
beachbum3668: It sends me to the keyboard, but if the muse doesn’t cooperate nothing gets written
jazwriter: I am in the middle of writing a story, but I do not have time…much beating up on myself here
LemonOrange: slaves to the muses
Xenavirgin: Yeah Raidr and there’s a fic about that. lol
quietheartedfsc: tortured artist syndrome
TegansMuse: speaking of slaves I hear the whips in the background
beachbum3668: I don’t know about tortured….I’m more of the “I’m terrified they’ll think its crap” school
Xenavirgin: Promises Tegan promises….
caillean: That’s pretty common for you, TM.
TegansMuse: lol xena and I forgot my safe word
jazwriter: sorry, Raven! I’m going!
TegansMuse: oh noes!
raiderL: bb, you’re not past that by now?
caillean: They’re ruthless
TegansMuse: true true caillean
quietheartedfsc: I’ve been really good the last couple of weeks. Been cleaning out the plot bunny hutches left and right. I’ve got 2 going up on P&P for IDF>
LemonOrange: lol that’s true
beachbum3668: nope – still terrified every time I post a new story
ariestess: 5 minutes to the Glee panel.
Xenavirgin: Yeah QH fic WOOOT
raiderL: so am I – I thought it’d get better by now!
quietheartedfsc: xv I’ve finished off 5 and wrote 1 new one so far.
beachbum3668: no – doesn’t seem to ever get better
jazwriter: QH’s story are great! You’ll love them!
TegansMuse: wow that was fun. Been a while since I’ve been in an old school chat. Twitter is my bitch
Xenavirgin: Okies kidlets, been a blast, now I’m off to the motherland..XENA. hehehe
TegansMuse: not that I’m on there so much lately
beachbum3668: ta ta Xv
Otakugamer01: @Beachbum i love your fics
DiNovia: Thanks to everyone on the panel today and to those who came to the Virtual Reception. Lisa and I are very happy to have you all as friends.
jazwriter: bye XV
the_dhamphir: don’t be such a stranger, DiNovia *hugs*
raiderL: thanks guys! See you later in DWP!
TegansMuse: Congrats to Di and Lisa sorry I missed it. *hugs*
jazwriter: nice to see you, DiNovia
quietheartedfsc: I want to thank all our guests. It’s greatly appreciated. As well as thank all of you for coming.
DiNovia: I won’t! Promise!
beachbum3668: DiNovia – I love your stuff…always have, always will
jazwriter: see you later! Back to packing…
beachbum3668: see you all in DWP
caillean: Thanks guys. Nice to talk to you all! And thank to the panelists and organizers!
TegansMuse: I’m out… gotta do the muses bidding. HAve a great one. And thanks for the fun time. Nice to meet you all.
DiNovia: Thanks BB
quietheartedfsc: Xena is still going on in Room 1, Glee here and Creating Scripts in Room 3.
LemonOrange: looking fwd to all the new work to read! thanks everyone!
beachbum3668: bye bye
TegansMuse: Catch you all on the flip side
Ravenfairy11: see you all later for dwp!
grdnofevrythng: I’m probably going to stop in on that DWP one