fsc_ralst: Welcome to the Warehouse 13 panel. Could the panellists please ensure their text is set to red and introduce themselves…
Typey: Hi, everyone! Typey here — I tag stuff and make you hate me
webgeekist: *raises hand* here. I’m Web.
Beagmactire: Hey Guys! I’m Beagmactire. (But I also respond to katie, kat, or get out the bloody way- as my mother likes to call me)
fsc_ralst: Any questions, just raise your hand
tristianmakhai: Hi guys. I’m Tristian, and i have no idea how I ended up on this panel next to these brilliant people. But I’ll see if I can’t hold my own or contribute to the Feels
Typey: Ralst, can we start with a group hug after last night’s panel?
fsc_ralst: An easy one to start with… what’s everyone’s favourite W13 pairing? Or is that too easy
Typey: PEY OFFERS GROUP HUG*
Kayryn: **hugs everyone**
pbandfluff: *accepts group hug*
webgeekist: because that panel very much hurt to follow
fsc_ralst: which panel was that?
webgeekist: and to answer the question, Bering and Wells.
Typey: I think the “favorite” pairing might be easy for most people, but it is so interesting to see how people treat other pairings, too
webgeekist: Comic Con, Warehouse 13
Kayryn: favorite pairing… that’s a reaaally difficult one, but Wells and Bering
fsc_ralst: Ah, I didn’t have time to check on the Comic Con buzz. Do I need to have a hanky at the ready?
Beagmactire: Beiring and Wells.
Typey: whole box of kleenex
pbandfluff: lots of chocolate on hand
webgeekist: yes, ralst. The entire cast apparently broke out into tears
MiddleEarthBarbie: Seconded Typey
Beagmactire: Oh flaming hell.
pbandfluff: eddie had to stand up to get a hold of himself
tristianmakhai: Bering And Wells. They were what initially caught my attention (well, HG but Myka is too aawesome to not be enamoured with)
fsc_ralst: because of the cancellation?
Kayryn: get something/someone to hug, too…
webgeekist: and it ended with a group hug on stage
fsc_ralst: How can you not love that cast?
Typey: So, Tristian, did you not start watching until after HG? I’m interested about how much the pairing lured viewers instead of existing viewers loving the pairing
tristianmakhai: I watched For the Team and immediately went and found the 2 seasons of the show and mainlined it. And think I had a Warehouse13 hangover!
fsc_ralst: I know that I was lured back in because of talke of HG Wells and Myka shenanigans
webgeekist: @Ralst probably. there was a lot of nostalgia
pbandfluff: it happens to the best of us
Typey: yeah, I was the “watched season 1, lost track of it, saw For the Team, never stopped watching again”
webgeekist: personally, never stopped watching it, but didn’t pick up on the subtext until Emily Lake/Stand.
Kayryn: I was told during season three to start watching it, didn’t, was told again to start watching it, but was warned about the season ending… and then I stupidly went and watched and… well…
webgeekist: those episodes are sledgehammers
tristianmakhai: For some reason, I lost track of it after season two, and then ended up catching up with Season 3 and the start of season 4 all at once, again.
webgeekist: @Kayryn: yeah. SLEDGEHAMMER.
Kayryn: @Web, yeah…
Beagmactire: Even my mother can see the subtext in those! She cried! (bering in mind she hadn’t seen the show before.)
fsc_ralst: Even without the Bering and Wells it’s a fun show but with them or even the hint of them it becomes must-watch-TV
Kayryn: No amount of warnings could’ve prepared me for that
tristianmakhai: That was the funny thing, I started watching for HG, and ended up thoroughly in love with the entire show. I never expected it.
e_m_praetorian: @Ralst: Too true
Beagmactire: It was a ” *Screams at the TV* *Storms off in a fit of denial*” moment.
Typey: I wasn’t expecting to ship anyone after getting into it Season 1
fsc_ralst: Yeah, I expected to get annoyed at the Myka/Pete romance pushing, but there isn’t any (hardly any), which is so refreshing
Typey: because I never saw Pyka, which is one of the things I liked about the show
Typey: very refreshing not to have to see conrived will they-won’t they with a male-female lead combo
webgeekist: lucky you…but like Ralst said, there’s hardly any pushing, and that’s nice because I love them the way they are
fsc_ralst: They’ve even added ant-Pyka scenes, as with waking up in bed together and screaming
webgeekist: and lines like, “Myka would NEVER kiss me!”
Typey: and “exactly”
fsc_ralst: They did the same with Claudia and Steve by quickly establishing that he was gay. so it looks like it’s something they’re trying to avoid all over
Gin Akasarahsmom: I think the Myka/Pete relationship is just as fun as the Garcia/Morgan relationship on Criminal Minds…. it’s fun watching them interact, but they would NOT be good partners… more brother/sister things
fsc_ralst: Yeah, they definitely love one another but as very close friends or siblings and that’s nice
Typey: I definitely agree that Myka and Pete act like total siblings, but I’m also really glad the show does’t have them flirt the way Garcia and MOrgan do
Kayryn: and I, for one, love that there are male and female main characters that *aren’t* being pushed together. It happens on every other show, so it’s refreshing
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yeah… that would be kinda icky… it’s not that they flirt like that.. just that the Myka Pete interactions are fun to watch… because they are so much like brother/sister
fsc_ralst: Yes, it’s as if men and women can’t be friends unless they want to jump each other’s bones on TV-land
Typey: right, because show’s assume that because they have a closed universe of characters that everyone has to pair off within the rosters
Typey: which isn’t how it works in real life
Typey: somettimes you meet someone who’s your match while you’re at work (or saving the world)
Typey: but most of the time you don’t
fsc_ralst: Thankfully, or I’d be married to my work colleagues
Typey: and your whole office doesn’t pair off
webgeekist: and can we all be grateful for that authenticity?
Typey: I’m super grateful for it
Kayryn: I’m very grateful
Beagmactire: Thank Jo for genuinly just platonic relationships!
tristianmakhai: It’s refreshing and so lovely to see. And also? extremely entertaining!
pbandfluff: Jo bless
fsc_ralst: I do still like the Artie/Vanessa slowburn romance, though
webgeekist: oh absolutely
Typey: and that romance has so much else going for it to, in terms of subverting normal tv tropes
Kayryn: most definitely!
pbandfluff: I love the Artie/Vanessa romance and their dynamic with each other
fsc_ralst: and on how many shows would it be the older character who get the romance while the younger ones stay single?
Typey: and when does a dude with Artie’s eyebrows ever get the hot, brilliant lady?
webgeekist: but that slow burn is, again, pretty authentic, especially to Artie’s paranoid nature. I have to love how well they’ve portrayed those personalities — all their personalities — over the last several years
fsc_ralst: @typey lol
Beagmactire: It brings out a whole new side of Artie, he’s like an excited kid around Vanessa; it’s so fricken cute!
pbandfluff: the hot, brilliant lady who doesn’t but up with his bullshit to boot
Kayryn: But that’s another thing that I love about this show… when they make the romantic parter characters that are recurring and not there every week, you also get to focus on the ‘cases’ and other fun, it’s not all about the relationship drama
webgeekist: @kayryn YES
Typey: @Kayrn, YES. and I also think the slight changes in personalities around romantic interests are totally authentic too
Kayryn: it feels more real
fsc_ralst: And their not falling in love wth a guest star every week
Kayryn: @ralst EXACTLY
Typey: (grrr not EVERY week…)
webgeekist: and also, because there IS drama, it’s not over-the-top…or, at least, isn’t in the context of a warehouse filled with artifacts
fsc_ralst: I love how the others get to tease Artie about Vanessa too, that’s very family
Typey: @web that’s also really important to some things I think about HG and Myka…
Typey: because the context of saving the world always takes precedence in the drama category…
webgeekist: @typey: context? yes. I believe that would be important to you
Typey: the fact that Myka and HG have this timeless, epic thing going on, means that it is on the same level as artifacts and world-ending drama
Typey: @lol web
webgeekist: timeless, epic thing that never seems to have enough time
Typey: did that make sense, now that Web’s made fun of me?
fsc_ralst: >>>I keep getting booted, so apologies if I miss raised hands or anything<<<
Beagmactire: @Typey, you’re so right! I think it’s what makes the ship so powerful (and painful!) They have the sledge hammer effect, and its clear for all to see.. except Jack Kenny.
Typey: Oh, I think he sees the connection
webgeekist: @kat I think he sees it
Typey: but he’s more focused on the Warehouse-level drama
pbandfluff: *hisses* we do not speak his name…
webgeekist: focused on the core family
Kayryn: I think he sees it, but “for reasons” can’t commit to it
fsc_ralst: what’s he got to lose now?
pbandfluff: his pride in saying no all this time
Beagmactire: He would be blind not to! Ha ha! I’m just holding off the plethora of rant’s I’ve got stored in my head on this!
webgeekist: I’m holding off entirely
fsc_ralst: Oh rant away
Beagmactire: We only have an hour and a half…!
Typey: perhpas unpopular opinion: I think what he’s got to lose maybe is the fact that he’s been shepherding a show that at its core is about found family and saving the world
fsc_ralst: Okay, maybe mini-rants
Typey: not saying I”m not mad he couldn’t write in omre overt acknowledgment
webgeekist: re: typey’s comment, and very little time to wrap it up
Typey: and not saying there’s not a problem with that lack of acknowledgment
fsc_ralst: I don’t think anyone expects him to turn it into the Myka and HG love show – I’d watch – but he could include it the same way he has Artie/Vaness, for instance and not lose the core of the show
Typey: but Bering and Wells has never been the focus of the show; it’s a GLORIOUS SERENDIPITOUS CREATIVELY IMPORTANT THING
webgeekist: because 6 eps seems like a lifetime to us, but when you consider they’d worked out a full season and then that got chopped….I think of a fic and wonder how I would cut it n half. not sure I could
Typey: (I’d watch too)
Typey: yes, @Ralst, there is a way to do it
webgeekist: wouldn’t we all watch?
Typey: and I wish (hope?) he does
webgeekist: (and probably bawl because Bering and Wells)
Beagmactire: I just hope he does SOMETHING to at least offer the fans some semblance of catharsis!
fsc_ralst: I think, at this point, I’d settle for having HG back with Myka where she belongs, solving crimes and being amazing
Typey: yes, HG at the Warehouse with Myka where she belongs
Typey: then we can write ALL THE FICK
webgeekist: @kat I think a lot of that will depend on just how much of Jaime we see in the last season, and in what capacity.
Beagmactire: (Which will likely lead to extreme heartbreak and mournful wails of fangirling anguish- because the feeling I have is that it would be the classic “I love you!” *Gets hit by a bus* )
webgeekist: we’ll be hit by a bus of feels one way or another
Typey: getting hit by a bus would be so *ahem* pedestrian compared to other ways our fandom’s killed her/Myka/both of them
Beagmactire: @Web I agree, I hope they are able to get her for at least a few episodes.
tristianmakhai: I have to say, I don’t think i’ve ever seen a fandom as enamoured with angst as Bering and Wells (and I *love* that about it).
tristianmakhai: @typey -groans- puns
Typey: Peebs, you got a a question?
pbandfluff: Ah yes I do
pbandfluff: If i may ask it
pbandfluff: So since there is now an end point to the show, has that fact changed how you look at Bering and Wells, like when you look back on the whole journey the characters and the ship has taken?
webgeekist: @kat: I think that’s…overly optimistic. Unless she’s in ep 3, Defiance starts filming this week, and her time will be limited. My worry/fear.
Beagmactire: @Pb, yes, it fills me with fear, terror and dread. We now have a time limit!
pbandfluff: @beag hahahaha yes i am with you on that
Typey: I think it would only change if one of them is dead at the end in canon or there really is a closed door to the relationship in canon; because I see their love as so bigger than the time frame that any show could give it, so I’m expecting SO MUCH post-run
webgeekist: re PB: yes and no. Obviously, we need to see season 5 before anything can really change.
Beagmactire: I don’t know what would be worse. Them not ending up together; or them being pushed together in a rush without giving them a proper build up.
webgeekist: yes if something major happens and the door is shut, no if (as I believe they will) they keep that door opened
tristianmakhai: Agreed, Typey. If the ending is open ended enough, I think that it’s not going to slow down a lot of people. If anything, not having canon to abide by opens a lot of doors. T he downside is less new material, of course.
webgeekist: and if they shut the door I’ll pull a mythbusters and reject their reality and substitute my own
Typey: for me it might even be less about material, though, and more an acknowledgement that Bering and Wells is a romance that is literally outside the bounds of time and so therefore will have an arc that never tails of
pbandfluff: @web won’t we all
webgeekist: @kat either is unacceptable, to me
fsc_ralst: bad endings sometimes fuel great fics, but I’m hoping for a good one
webgeekist: I want what I’ve come to expect out of this show: something genuine
webgeekist: *highfives pb*
tristianmakhai: Then again, an unhappy fandom can be an extremely productive fandom. When there’s a lot to fix, we get on it.
fsc_ralst: @beag but having we had years of build up already?
Typey: I’m with web on that; thihs show has done so much really really well with genuine charaterization, growth and narrative that it woudl suck to have it fucked up at the end because of the short season
Typey: I think there will always be tons to “fix” about our damaged and vulnerable Myka and HG
Beagmactire: @ralst, We have, what I meant is, would a sopranos type ending be worse? As in having to cut off the end of the arch because of a lack of time.
fsc_ralst: So what would be your ideal way to end the season? Firstly, as a viewer, but also as a writer/reader?
Beagmactire: One thing, if -touch wood I’m wrong- the worst should happen to Myka, A graveside confession I think might kill many shippers.
webgeekist: @kat: but I…do kind of expect an abrupt end for everyone. I think they’ll do what they can with what they have, but overall there’s so much to wrap up, and I think they’re not trying to END it so much as just bring it to a save point, to use a gamer term
Typey: viewer: overt reference to all the themes we’ve seen — family, finding home, saving the world — and acknowledgment that Myka’s path (because I really think this is her story) to the Warehouse also included the Endless Wonder of finding her soulmate
webgeekist: (graveside confession like “sometimes it’s people that we care about and sometimes it’s even the people that we love? yes. that would hurt)
Beagmactire: @web, Yeah I think there is no avoiding the abruptness of the ending. Alas!
Typey: (I don’t want to think about that line, web *weeps*)
Redlance: (I hate you all)
tristianmakhai: I think the best we can hope for is something open ended, as Web said, at a savepoint.
Typey: (mutual, Red)
pbandfluff: (That’s a bit rich from you, red :P)
Redlance: (<3, typey)
Redlance: (you shut your face, fluffy. I haven’t angsted in at least a week)
tristianmakhai: It doesn’t all have to be wrapped up, but some sort of resolution on the big things.
fsc_ralst: A savepoint would be good. Also works if the idiots at Syfy should ever decide to re-open the show
Typey: (Red, how’re the lungs doing with the sulfur?)
webgeekist: end the season [series] as a viewer: I want an answer to the Leena question. They keep bringing it up, and I want to know. But that’s one example of many quesstions I want answered. Overall, I want them all at a place where they’re happy with the direction their lives have taken, and cohesive as a family, and I want to see what’s next for the Warehouse.
Beagmactire: @web, “I still need your strength.”
pbandfluff: (i think that’s a new record, red)
webgeekist: as a reader: all teh Myka/HG sexytimes
tristianmakhai: Or if they have to pull a Buffy and go for comics.
Redlance: (it might be. Goes to show how depressing this season has been if even i can’t angst)
Typey: to Web’s point, the fact that there are so many questions unanswered that are central to the plot of four seasons of the show means that 6 eps will have to be SO warehouse-focused
Beagmactire: If they could continue the webisodes, that would be epic.
fsc_ralst: any form of continuation would be welcome
Typey: and include some R-rated ones?
webgeekist: @kat STAHP
webgeekist: my heart
tristianmakhai: Then again, when you look at the success of Veronica Mars and Nikki & Nora, there is some wiggle room for fan funded projects
Beagmactire: @web, beware of an angst off web!
tristianmakhai: the creators just have to be willing to go there
fsc_ralst: there are more options now than there used to be
Beagmactire: @ralst, you’re so right. With so many options out there, we can just hope to hell the creators take advantage of it!
fsc_ralst: Is there a particular line or scene you keep coming back to when writing or talking about the Bering and Wells relationship?
Otakugamer01: god mi wish we could talk them into a fandom funded movie, a la Veronica Mars
Typey: “how do you say goodbye…”
Beagmactire: “How do you say goodbye to the one person who knows you better than anyone else.”
tristianmakhai: I second the ‘how do you say goodbye?’
webgeekist: @typey: yes, and also the “people that we love” line
fsc_ralst: people we love line was killer
Beagmactire: Also “A wise, but also psycotic woman once told me; don’t walk away from your truth.”
Typey: because for me it’s about both Myka realizing that someone finally really knows her, and also about having to find words that aren’t the real words she wants to say
Beagmactire: @Typey, The way Jo delivers that line gets me everytime.
webgeekist: quick note re:kickstarter, etc: I think it’ll come down to campaigning at the right moment. Successful ventures usually do.
Beagmactire: Someone (I don’t know who) posted the theory that in her last moments, HG said I smell apples, instead of I love you, because she was afraid Myka wouldn’t have time to say it back… That hurt.
webgeekist: @kat: YES. the truths keep coming up in their relationships, and both of them are so bad about staying put. Both of them run — Myka to DC (after Sam) then to colorado, HG to the bronze and then to suburbia
Typey: That hurt, def; but I also see that moment as part of the HG redemption arc theme: she smells apples and knows she’sbeen accepted at the one place that was a comfort to her
webgeekist: the thing I DON’T like about the apples revelation is that it was invalidated, so HG doesn’t know that anymore
Typey: and part of hwy the warehouse accepted her again at the moment of sacrifice had to do with her saving Myka
fsc_ralst: I liked how they echoed that with Claudia after she gooed the warehouse
webgeekist: it reset her character growth to an extent
Typey: THAT FUCKING KILLS ME, WEB
fsc_ralst: But did the warehouse know? It’s kinda magical so maybe it remembered as well as Artie?
Typey: @Ralst also indicates that Helena is in the special class of people who are so in tune with the Warehouse that it really is their destined home (Myka doesn’t smell apples and her “home” is Helena)
webgeekist: @ralst YES, I loved that moment. And that it was in Instinct? even better
pbandfluff: Yeah the fact that Artie is the only one who really knows what lengths HG went to now frustrates me so much as a viewer and a reader
webgeekist: The Warehouse might also know, but as the only character on the show without a true voice, it’s hard to gauge through canon.
fsc_ralst: Do you think Artie would tell them about her sacrifice? Now they know about the time-do-over?
Beagmactire: That would be something that it would be brilliant if they addressed in the next season. To have Artie tell Myka what Helena did for her. That would be amazing.
webgeekist: @ralst: didn’t he? I seem to recall that Myka knew HG would have been dead if not for the time reversal by 4×10
webgeekist: although i suppose he may not have explicitly said “she gave her life to save us”
Beagmactire: @ralst (Which is the point of course that Myka leaps into her car and drives straight to Wisconsin and wins her girl back!)
Typey: but not the specifics
fsc_ralst: @web I’m not sure
pbandfluff: Well, there’s a difference in saying the Warehouse blew up with HG in it and saying HG sacrificed herself for us
Typey: and that it was about saving Myka and not antyhing else (like, you know, the Warehouse)
fsc_ralst: @beag oh yeah
Beagmactire: (I apologise, I’m having an OH! I like that, let’s do that! Moment!) Plus, Pat Bentar’s version of “I drove all night” would have to be playing at the time.
fsc_ralst: That last scene before and during the explosion was so ‘love story’ that I still find it hard to believe that Kenny denies the romance angle
tristianmakhai: I think that would be my ideal ending at this point: Artie explaining and Myka dashing off. Jack said that THEY don’t go off into the sunset, but he said nothing about Myka running off to get the girl. (and I mean ideal in the TV world sense, because we won’t get what we really want).
Typey: ugh, the tears, though. Jo would kill us if we got to watch Myka hear Artie say, “Helena sacrificed herself to save us…to save you.”
Beagmactire: Imagine her eyes…. Even picturing it hurts!!!
webgeekist: typey she’s gonna kill us anyway
webgeekist: she’s exceedingly skilled at that
Typey: I actually would prefer a scene that had Helena coming home to a family that is fully accepting of her, who were waiting for her, than to have Myka run off o get her
webgeekist: and i don’t want to picture it because it’ll mkae my drawing hand itch
Beagmactire: We’re all gonna die! But we can at least be happy about it! please….
tristianmakhai: True. That would be much, much better.
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Typey: because for me it’s all about these people finding the place they fit
Beagmactire: I second that!
e_m_praetorian: that type of ending…that’s sort of a Lost moment
webgeekist: I’m with Typey
Typey: and her leaving the Warehouse for Ehelana, even if it’s implied she’d come back, would be another running away
e_m_praetorian: it would be nice
webgeekist: (because ugh…HG wells does NOT belong is Wisconcin)
tristianmakhai: Although, if HG says anything about apples upon reaching home, I don;t know if anyone will be left to flail at the net over it.
Typey: HG WELLS DOES NOT BELONG IN WISCONSIN, IN SUBURBIA, OR AS EMILY LAKE
fsc_ralst: @web sing it!
Typey: (but it is part of her path, and a path that I think logically can only end up with her back at the Warehouse)
Beagmactire: Have Myka go get her, without the others realising. Then Maybe have Pete panic, thinking she has left; runs out to see the car pull up; and end as the pair of them walk into the B&B hand in hand.
webgeekist: apples…yes. But how cool would it be if MYKA smelled like aples instead of the Warehouse, or if (again) she smelled apples in Myka’s presence?
Typey: with the sun rising instead of setting?
fsc_ralst: Or if Myka smelt the apples as soon as HG arrived and they were together
Typey: hmmm, web…I see the apples thing as part of th Warehouse’s ability to communicate with it’s favored few, so it’d have to be apples in Myka’s presence in the Warehouse as a sign that the Warehouse approved
tristianmakhai: I like the symbolism of a rising sun. That the story just isn’t over yet.
Otakugamer01: anyone else gets the bad feeling that somehow HG finds out about Myka’s cancer and grabs an artifact that kills her while saving Myka’s life…
pbandfluff: …you had to go there
Typey: taht’s a fic Red would write
Beagmactire: DON’T! We couldn’t cope with HG Hg-ing herself again!!!!
webgeekist: @otaku: I don’t think they’ll do that
pbandfluff: i’ll be waiting for red’s take on that
fsc_ralst: @otak I doubt they’d have her die twice while saving Myka, would they?
Typey: @otaku there’s incredibly interesting themes for how our characters would act in that situation, but I agree with Web that the show won’t do that in the final 6 after having already killed her
webgeekist: @typey: yes, but another thing I want to see, globally, is how the Warehouse is connected to its people, and if they can be an extension of it, then maybe the magic will follow them around
michelle_2011: thanks for the panel
Beagmactire: @ralst… don’t tempt fate here. it is Warehouse. You know, it is Bering and Wells. If it is up to them, this ship’s going to look like the flipping Marie Celeste by the time they’re finished!
Otakugamer01: i hope so typey and ralst
Typey: hmmm, Web. thinking about conections to the warehouse and how it communicates its approval or diapproval (Claudia’s ass may have an opinion on that…)
webgeekist: genuinely, though, all indications are that they will not go down that path eith Myka’s cancer
fsc_ralst: @Beag yes, erase what I just said *looks around nervously*
Typey: @web, right kenny said outright that cancer isn’t the plot-driver for S5, right?
fsc_ralst: How do you see them dealing with Myka’s cancer?
Beagmactire: @ralst What you just said? *Feigns confusion* whatever are you talking about Ralst… (Kenny’s spies are everywhere….)
Beagmactire: I have a feeling the cancer will be resolved in the first episode via artefact. That possibly somone is going to get into serious trouble for using an artefact to save her. Pete seems desperate, so I have a feeling he might be pushed into acting.
webgeekist: I do actually see them involving an artifact, intentionally or by side effect.
Typey: would you have a preference, Web?
Beagmactire: (Or if Helena finds out, heaven help any poor bugger who gets inbetween her and her ability to save Myka.)
Typey: because I’m not inclined to like them intentionally using an artifact
Typey: because DOWNSIDES
webgeekist: side effect. Paracelsus went to great lengths to achieve his immortality. I kind of want him to lose it, and for that loss to benefit Myka
pbandfluff: could they create an artifact? i mean, there’s a lot of emotions running through that whole family
Typey: I love you Web
Typey: what would the moment be, Peebs?
Beagmactire: They might end up transferring it to Paracelsus.
Typey: because it’s emotion and moment, so has Myka flatlined?
Beagmactire: Then have the whole moral issue kick off.
webgeekist: The immortality theme in parallel with Myka’s imminent mortality is just…perfect for that, I think
pbandfluff: @ typey yeah myka flatlines or slips into a coma or something
Typey: @Web and Kat, ugh the beautiful parallels with Myka’s acknowledgment of her own mortality in front of Charlotte
Beagmactire: Question; does she still have Helena’s locket? Perhaps, it could happen that Helena’s feeling of failure to protect somone she loved fused with the locket, and made it an artefact. And so, because of helena’s affection for Myka, the locket will protect her.
fsc_ralst: @beag yeah, I can see that
pbandfluff: @typey in my b&w shipper mind, hg creates an artifact from her locket when she sees myka in the hospital
Typey: there we go…resolved by quoroum of fandom
pbandfluff: *bangs gavel* it is law
fsc_ralst: It was the Helena, with the locket, in the hospital room
Typey: who’s writing it?
Typey: lol @ralst
pbandfluff: @typey don’t look at me, i’ve got too much on my plate
webgeekist: @kat: she SHOULD have the locket, but the way they flip flop between the tiny one and the square one has left me a little confused about it all. I would guess she can have two.
pbandfluff: don’t even start
fsc_ralst: some just needs to sneak into the Syfy offices and exchange our idea for whatever the writers are working on
Beagmactire: We never did see her return it.
e_m_praetorian: So long as they don’t end with a teary eyed ‘Saving Myka’s B&B room’
pbandfluff: @wipey I SAID DON’T START
webgeekist: @ralst: IF ONLY. Unfortunately, they’ve shot the first 2 eps already
Beagmactire: @ralst I’ll get the blue prints, I.. uh.. know a guy….
Typey: it’s WYPEY child. spell it right
fsc_ralst: @web we should have stolen the rushes instead, just to check
pbandfluff: that’s an awful lot of that portmanteau going to you, typey
Typey: there is no “wi” in “web”
Beagmactire: @web, We’ll just have to pull a jenny Schecter with the first two eps.
pbandfluff: yes but there is an ‘i’ in webgeekist
fsc_ralst: @Beag you mean we need to be very annoying and unpopular?
Typey: (whatevs, did you see the thing about language study of ship portnmanteaux)
webgeekist: @kat, I understand that is an L Word reference and that’s as far as my understanding goes
webgeekist: @typey & pb: enough
pbandfluff: (@typey no i haven’t you should shoot that my way)
pbandfluff: (@web fine, fine)
Beagmactire: @ralst, not quite! However, we do need to steal and delete any and all copies of the two things and hide them someplace they will never be found! To force them to re-shoot! (We also need to get rid of all the scripts etc.
tristianmakhai: I’ve got a question for you guys: has there been talk of or interest in a Virtual season? I know that Once Upon A Time is looking this as an option, but with the success of Otalia and Xena’s, would this be something the fandom (or you guys as writers) be interested in?
fsc_ralst: Did HG and Myka ever have a portmanteau before the Bering and Wells?
webgeekist: AH I like this plan
Beagmactire: I reckon jo and Jaime should have their own web based spin off; and put them in charge!
pbandfluff: @ralst there was talk of helyka or something
Typey: No portmanteau that ever caught on, and I LOVE that the ship named itself with such flirting
webgeekist: (can’t answer the new question: joined up after the ship named itself)
tristianmakhai: Seconded, Beag!
fsc_ralst: @pb oh, not good
pbandfluff: @ralst yeah, it was following in pyka’s footsteps on that
fsc_ralst: @pb pyka is terrible, poor ships
Beagmactire: is it just me, or would Helyka be a damned good name for a rockband>
pbandfluff: @kat it would
fsc_ralst: A Virtual Season is a lot of work but they can be so, so good
pbandfluff: @kat or a good made-up ancient greek name
webgeekist: @tristian: serious talk, no. But there’s been some chatter. I’d love to see that, actually, with the level of talent this fandom has. And after the finale? the world is open to us. I’d love that so much
tristianmakhai: It seems intimidating as hell, Ralst.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Women’s Murder Club had great virtual season episodes.
grumpybear1031: I so miss that show
fsc_ralst: I’ve worked on one VS – Sarah Connor Chronicles – and they need strong leadership and a plethora or talent. I think W13 could do it.
webgeekist: helyka sounds like, and has been made into, a disease
grumpybear1031: I’ve worked on three and it is a lot of work but fun
Beagmactire: It has symptoms, and a fatality rating that is through the roof.
fsc_ralst: So how soon after the end of play do you need to start work on the VS?
grumpybear1031: we started right away pretty much
fsc_ralst: So, anyone up for a VS?
pbandfluff: count me in
webgeekist: yes, with the caveat of waiting until I see what they actually DO to make a final commitment
pbandfluff: what little i can offer
Beagmactire: Oh heck yes!!!
grumpybear1031: I’d be up for it in my usual capcity anyway
tristianmakhai: I’m a total slackass and learning to write again, but I’d definitely volunteer however was needed.
Typey: yeah, I’m having trouble palnning for after (even emotionally) until I see what happens
Beagmactire: Whatever you guys would need!
fsc_ralst: Sounds promising. The ending would be the decided, I guess
tristianmakhai: Hell, I’d resort to offering services as a beta if it helped.
fsc_ralst: Betas always help *g*
fsc_ralst: Well, that’s one thing to potentially look forward to after ep 6
webgeekist: and we need things to look forward to
tristianmakhai: yes, lets wait to see if anyone is still alive after the fandom collectively ‘loses their shit.’
fsc_ralst: lol yeah
Beagmactire: Screw my degree! If you guys need anything, a writer, a beta; or a history researcher (I knew doing a history degree would serve me well at some point!)
pbandfluff: @kat damn, where we you when i started writing my rome au
fsc_ralst: I did history too, so that’s at least two researchers!
Beagmactire: *Historical High five*
tristianmakhai: <– history and mythology nerd, so I’d help out as much as I could too!
Mondoshawan555: this fandom has lost its shit so many times already it’s business as usual already
Beagmactire: @Pb, my bad, if you need anything in the future though give me a yell!
pbandfluff: i’m a lowly fors anth major but i’m good with wounds and dead bodies
pbandfluff: @kat i will! thanks!
tristianmakhai: Losing ones shit is a fandom past time. It’s how you know you’re in Bering and Wells.
pbandfluff: it’s an initiation. the rite of losing one’s shit.
fsc_ralst: and a collective sport
Typey: and a contact sport
Beagmactire: One thing, it is rather handy for sporting purposes. I play rugby, and watched instinct the night before a match…. It got very ugly…
webgeekist: with serious injury potential
fsc_ralst: Not an episode to watch before yoga, unless you want to punch out the leader
Xenavirgin: You play Rugby Bea? Are you a hooker?
webgeekist: Warehouse 13 is an artifact. It causes feels
Beagmactire: Ha ha! No dear, I’m a Prop. I get to smash stuff!
fsc_ralst: @web what’s the downside?
Typey: WITH DOWNSIDE OF OBSESSIVE BEHAVIOR AND INCOHERENT RAMBLING
Xenavirgin: Niiiiicce Bea.
tristianmakhai: I was just wondering whether a VS would retain that provokation of fandom flails, but then I remember the frequent angst storms.
pbandfluff: @typey no, typey, that’s just you
Typey: you, too, dear. YOU TOO
webgeekist: @ralst: tears, the desire to kick media execs in the shins
Xenavirgin: Sorry I’m sooo late, my interwebs has been being an absolute pig.
pbandfluff: (can’t argue that)
fsc_ralst: Better late than never, XV
Beagmactire: @web, its not just potential injury! There are girls still in plaster because of my ritual ‘losing of the shit’…. I’m a terrible person…
Kayryn: Meeep, I’ve missed an hour, but I was chatting with lysachan via text messages. She unable to get online this weekend
webgeekist: @kat or just a really, really good rugby player
webgeekist: wb kayryn
Beagmactire: @web, *blushes*
fsc_ralst: @kayryn we’re looking for VS peeps but won’t forget her or you
fsc_ralst: XV a question?
Alert: Xenavirgin hand was lowered by fsc_ralst
Kayryn: Web, ty
Kayryn: Ralst, sure thing
Xenavirgin: Erm yes, forgive me but I’ve come to the Bering and Wells fandom very late, Am I correct in saying the two actresses have said they have been playing the roles with subtext?
webgeekist: yes they have
Xenavirgin: Ahhh Coool.
Beagmactire: They are our beloved capitans!
webgeekist: in fact, a good chunk of the crew has intentionally put effort onto that
Xenavirgin: IS it both of them or just Jamie Murray?
fsc_ralst: And Eddie is cheerleader
Beagmactire: he’s the sassy best friend! Ha ha ha!
fsc_ralst: Both of them, definitely
webgeekist: very much both of them. Go look at Jo’s Comic Con intervews from the last few years, annd go read the AfterEllen article with both of them that Heather Hogan wrote a few months ago
webgeekist: they’re amazing
webgeekist: oh yes, Eddie is definitely an honorary fangirl
fsc_ralst: Even the Syfy promo people are behind it
Beagmactire: Salute the capitans!
webgeekist: oh that promo. Sooooo much win
Xenavirgin: Cool, thanks for the reading pointers.
fsc_ralst: The only person not 100% onboard in the cast and crew is Kenny
Xenavirgin: Wait what Promo?? Damn I’m always late to the party.
Beagmactire: Kill the non-believer! (To be yelled in John Cleese’s voice)
webgeekist: and even he’s recently revealed some more clarified perspectives.
Typey: the pormo? “single brunette female in search of same for hologram lay and rope tricks”
fsc_ralst: The promo to 4.5
Xenavirgin: LOL @ Bea
webgeekist: @typey: yes that one
pbandfluff: @kat I didn’t vote for you!
fsc_ralst: That promo was great
fsc_ralst: Besides out beloved Bering and Wells are there any other femslash pairings you’re into for the show?
Typey: I know that people have Cleena feels, but I’d love to see Claudia and Abigail sort some things out…
pbandfluff: ship all the ladies
Kayryn: Pete’s mom and his ex
webgeekist: I’ve read some Cleena, but mostly for the Bering and Wells content.
Beagmactire: @Pb, Of course you didn’t! The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Beagmactire, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your Queen.
pbandfluff: hahahahaha yes @kayryn
webgeekist: @kayryn: lol, in an AU set in space
Typey: with uniforms
Beagmactire: YES @Karyryn!
pbandfluff: @kat that’s no basis for a system of governement
Xenavirgin: I love CLaudia all on her lonesome. LOLOL But I’d be interested in seeing something with her and Abigail too.
Kayryn: omg, that’s a brilliant AU idea
Beagmactire: @pb, bloody peasant.
fsc_ralst: Claudia and Abigail has potential, yeah
tristianmakhai: I second the Claudia/Abigail. Very intriguing.
Typey: especially if we learn about the dynamic of caretaker and keeper
pbandfluff: i like cleena, but claudia/abigail is gaining ground in my multi-shipper heart
fsc_ralst: Yes, that could be something explored in the VS
webgeekist: claudia and abigail does pique my interest, but not necessarily for the femslash potential. It’s just a very interesting dynamic without taking feelings into account
Typey: Claudia coming into her own as caretaker as the *new* keeper arrives (she woudln’t nec have been ready for it with Leena?)
Xenavirgin: @ Ralst, the VS? Is someone doing a virtual series??
pbandfluff: yeah, new caretaker, new keeper, new dynamic
pbandfluff: @xv it’s a possibility
fsc_ralst: @XV we’ve been talking about the posibility
Typey: “now *that’s* a caretaker”
fsc_ralst: Abigail did seem impressed
webgeekist: i kind of have this headcanon, though, that Leena is part of the Warehouse now. It’s supported by her unexplained reappearance at Artie’s side in the finale
pbandfluff: @web yeah i was kind of thinking the same thing
Xenavirgin: OOOOO waves hand in air. PLease let me know if it happens.
webgeekist: but also, the Warehouse has had a different personality in 4.5, and I’d like t think it’s because she’s there as an intermediary
Typey: do you headcanon that as normal for a dead keeper?
fsc_ralst: @XV I’ll put you on the list
Xenavirgin: Ummm, the only other pairing that kind of intrigued me was maybe Mrs Fredricks and Pete’s mom.
Xenavirgin: Aqwww thanks Ralst.
webgeekist: @typey: maybe, but no. Another thing that’s been mentioned, especially recently, is how the Warehouse has changed. From what we’ve seen of it in the past, that change has so much to do with its current (and recently former) residents
fsc_ralst: I dislike Pete’s mom far too much to inflict her on the wonder that is Mrs, F
webgeekist: @ralst: never recovered from the s3 finale?
Typey: @web do you think that ocul dbe part of a “natural” lifecycle of a warehouse…part of why there might need to be a W14 sooner rather than later?
Kayryn: Why do you dislike Pete’s mom?
fsc_ralst: badly acted and just really annoying
grumpybear1031: she doesn’t like Kate Mulgrew…lol
Kayryn: ahhh, yeah I can relate
fsc_ralst: KM is okay in Orange/Black but I find her nearly unwatchable in W13
grumpybear1031: agreed Red is kinda awesome
pbandfluff: i’m not a huge fan of her b/c she comes to all the warehouse situations with an air of absolute knowledge that’s very pretentious, imo
Kayryn: I’m torn when it comes to Kate
webgeekist: @typey: no. I think it’s unusual and special. i think, ultimately, that’s part of the family theme — they’ll find a way to minimize the crazy, evil, and dead because of it
Xenavirgin: WHAT?!?!? Not like Kate Mulgrew? Well I’m not overly fond of her, but Janeway can have me anytime she wants. lol
grumpybear1031: I liked Janeway
Kayryn: I liked Janeway… It’s KM that I have issues with
fsc_ralst: I disliked Janeway… I think that’s where it started
fsc_ralst: Do we know if KM is going to be in season five?
Xenavirgin: Ahhh the glorious diversity of fandoms.
Kayryn: and my KM issues didn’t start until 5th or 6th season of VOY, so…
Kayryn: but anyway…
webgeekist: @ralst: is your improved opinion of KM in Orange/Black influenced by the fact that she’s a slightly unlikeable criminal, and the character embodies your personal feelings?
pbandfluff: sort of bringing it back to one of the questions, i’m still vacillating between ship and brotp feels, but i really liked the claudia/hg dynamic when it happened
justsing: @ralst according to Jack Kenny, KM won’t be in S5
Typey: @web, what would hte long-term impact of minimizing crazy, evil, or dead be, do you think? makes it more likely to have long-term relationships, which would be nice…
webgeekist: @ralst re s5: I don’t think so
Typey: I can’t ship Claudia and HG ever since I started having the maternal/filial feels
fsc_ralst: @web possibly. she’s tended to play ‘i know best’ character that I’ve found very annoying before
fsc_ralst: @just yay!
webgeekist: javeway had those moments
pbandfluff: @typey yeah, what little ship feels i do have occur in a very au vacuum
BetweenLove_n_Hate: @ Typey, I liked the idea of Claudia/Leena. So sad so few write for that couple.
fsc_ralst: brotp for Claudia and HG/Mya, definitely
Beagmactire: Hey guys! Sorry for vanishing, had to see a woman about a cat.
fsc_ralst: Claudia/Leena had potential but just didn’t seem to take off
webgeekist: @typey: yes. makes it far more likely they can have lives that resemble what is traditionally considered normal. We already know Pete wants that, at least in part. I don’t think we’ll see that come to fruition in the show, but it would be nice if, again, that door was left open and we got the sense that it COULD happen
webgeekist: wb kat
pbandfluff: @ralst oh it tried, at least on my end of it
Xenavirgin: Do we know if any agents are said to have retired to a normal life?
pbandfluff: @xv well there was rebecca
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Rebecca did.
fsc_ralst: Yes, Rebecca
Beagmactire: Not particularly. Most are either, mad, dangerous, or dead. Aside from Rebecca.
webgeekist: @xv: not officially. Rebecca “retired,” but she dropped off the map to do it while searching for Jack
Typey: ugh, Rebecca and not getting old enough to DIE OF CANCER
grumpybear1031: but we’ve only seen a limited number of ex agents
Xenavirgin: Ahh I thought so.
fsc_ralst: I’m now imagining a Warehouse Retirement Community… it’s epic
pbandfluff: hahahaha we could be extremely bitter and say hg, technically
webgeekist: @grumpy: also true
Xenavirgin: Yay Ralst!! Oh such a good humour fic that would be.
MiddleEarthBarbie: Cleena was so good around the Season 2 conflict they had with each other.
webgeekist: @pb: yes we could, but…story isn’t finished
fsc_ralst: Ten minutes left… any last questions?
pbandfluff: @web well, yes obviously
fsc_ralst: Between? your question?
webgeekist: (and so grateful it isn’t, even though it’ll be short)
Alert: BetweenLove_n_Hate hand was lowered by fsc_ralst
fsc_ralst: @XV now I want to read it
BetweenLove_n_Hate: This is kind of to readers. What are readers looking for most in HG/Myka fics at the moment?
Xenavirgin: Does anyone know a location for some Bering & Wells Manips?
Xenavirgin: @ Ralst, well I have some time in August, maybe I’ll write it.
pbandfluff: @xv hit up kayryn’s tumblr
fsc_ralst: A happy ending. I don’t mind angst but I need angst-resolution too
Xenavirgin: Ahhhh thanks. fluff
tristianmakhai: And Absderian’s (SP?) tumblr
fsc_ralst: @XV written down into the book of femslash law
Xenavirgin: @ Ralst??? huhuhuh?
Xenavirgin: Ah well, Absderians I get direct. heheheh
pbandfluff: @between just some happiness. complicated is kind of their m.o. so i’ve come to expect that, but just some happiness.
webgeekist: @between: agreed with ralst, but I’m in a tough spot with that. Fix-its, some longer main universe stuff would be good too. And of course, AUS are always welcome
shaych03: xv: my tumblr has some as well, plus my deviant art
justsing: B&W isn’t called Angst and Pain for nothing…
sendibo: I know some people really aren’t keen on them because it’s a bit OOC after ‘No Pain, No Gain’, but I love B&W baby fics.
webgeekist: @xv: also look at fuckyeahpikacha’s tumblr
Xenavirgin: Is your tumblr the same name Shay?
pbandfluff: @xv ooooh, yes, go check out shay’s stuff. sooooo good
BetweenLove_n_Hate: ABSedarian has some great movie poster manips as XV mentioned.
Xenavirgin: Thanks Web.
Typey: I’m looking for them getting their moment to allow themselves to accept themselves in relation to the other woman — I want the emotional catharsis of reading, “yes, I belong with you” even if they don’t (have to) say it
shaych03: xv: yes, shaych03
Typey: but, yes AUs too
pbandfluff: @typey yes, i totally agree
fsc_ralst: what type of AU?
pbandfluff: and yes, aus
BetweenLove_n_Hate: @sendibo, I like baby fics and their child from the future coming back to help set them up thanks to warehouse incidents too
webgeekist: ALL THE AUS
Beagmactire: You’ve got to love a good Au!
Typey: all AUs ones where Christina comes back as an adult, for instance
Beagmactire: An AU a day keeps the writers block away!
BetweenLove_n_Hate: She does? In which fic?
pbandfluff: @ralst all the aus. this fandom can make an au out of anything
fsc_ralst: AUs and ubers are great
tristianmakhai: I keep getting tempted to write a straight up Steampunk!verse W13 fic.
pbandfluff: @typey damn you, i’m working on it
pbandfluff: @between i have a series of ficlets that make that an au
sendibo: I like the child from the future ideas, but I think they have to be written carefully. Time travel is a tricky business and can make no sense sometimes, which ruins the story for me.
webgeekist: we need another AU Week
Typey: @between it’s spectacular go read them
pbandfluff: @web most definitely
Xenavirgin: AU week??
fsc_ralst: @tristian a steampunk challenge will be going up sometime over the next week or two and it already has a W13 tie in
Typey: Ithought it was always AU week?
tristianmakhai: ooooh! I will have to keep an eye out for that!
webgeekist: eternal AU week
Kayryn: Au week is eternal
Beagmactire: AU week????? How, where, what? When does this happen?
fsc_ralst: sounds like fun!
webgeekist: @kat: check the AU Week tag on tumblr
pbandfluff: @beag we wanted it, tumblr, we pick a week, and watch the au pile up
webgeekist: you may have to wad a little, but most of the stuff from last year is there
Beagmactire: Awesome! Will do!
Beagmactire: This sounds fantastic! (being as I’ve actually learned to use Tumblr now!… this time last year it only confused me)
Xenavirgin: AU tag on tumblr like all fandom au’s or just W13?
BetweenLove_n_Hate: And femslash AU’s I assume?
grumpybear1031: i wish i didn’t hate tumblr
fsc_ralst: I find it difficult to find fic on tumblr but I love the pretty pictures
Shatterpath: the visual stimuli is too much for my brain
sendibo: I just track the Warehouse 13 and Bering and Wells tags and wait for the fic that pops up in there.
Shatterpath: shame really
fsc_ralst: We’re coming to an end, so a big thank you to all our panellists and everyone else for making this such a fun panel
tristianmakhai: As mentioned on other panels: I think we all wish we could get a combination of LJ and tumblr. the ease of reblogging from one, and the stability (and support of longer posts) form the other. But eh. Can’t have everything.
webgeekist: thanks for having us, Ralst!
tristianmakhai: than you for having me, guys. ^^
sendibo: Thanks for the panel guys, it’s been most entertaining to read!
justsing: Thanks to ralst and all the panelists! Jo bless.
Beagmactire: It’s been a blast guys! Thanks so much!
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Thank you!