the_dhamphir: Alright ladies, I’m Dhamphir, or D for short, and I’lll be hosting the Hot Topics Panel
the_dhamphir: We’ve spent the last couple days talking about current and past fandoms
the_dhamphir: What do you think the next big fandom will be?
Gin Akasarahsmom: Orange is the New Black
fsc_ralst: Orange is the New Black
Whedonist: I second both of those
quietheartedfsc: yes agreed
the_dhamphir: lol, I knew you’d say that, Ralst
Xenavirgin: Beat me to it Ralst. lol
Whedonist: it’s a great great show
michelle_2011: hello dhamphir
Xenavirgin: Here in the Uk it might be Wentworth.
Alsike: I totally started watching OitNB right after the con ended last night.
the_dhamphir: Wentworth is also a good Women in prison show
Whedonist: I keep on hearing about Wentworth, I need to find it online…
fsc_ralst: Orphan Black and Wentworth are other contenders
the_dhamphir: wentworth is darker than Orange/Black
Liberty Stewart: It’s really hard to know these things without having an idea what sort of shows/movies are coming out in the future. Though 90% of the time, it’s a show.
fsc_ralst: Wentwoth is a darker Bad Girls
the_dhamphir: Forturnately for us, both Orange/Black and Wentworth have both renewed for a second season!
Whedonist: I’m a bad gay, I’ve not seen Bad Girls…
yurianimeotaku: @Gin Only if writers are able to watch the show.
Nikkeh: me neither its ok
mandygirl78: So Wentwoth is like Oz?
the_dhamphir: I didn’t have access to Bad Girls for a long time Whdonist
Liberty Stewart: I haven’t seen Bad Girls either. Prison shows don’t appeal to me.
the_dhamphir: I don’t know, Mandy, I haven’t seen Oz
fsc_ralst: I’m in England so Bad Girls was a must
Whedonist: I’ll have to hunt in down in my quest to backfill my series catching up…
quietheartedfsc: Love Bad Girls.
Nikkeh: how many seasons is it?
fsc_ralst: Erm seven or eight series
the_dhamphir: which show, Nikkeh?
mandygirl78: Bad Girls is still my favorite, even though season 8 sucks like hell.
Whedonist: I think the UK has better TV sometimes, you guys got Lip Service too
Xenavirgin: @ Ralst – Yeah it’s on our Rabid Lesbian Hordes must watch list.
fsc_ralst: and a musical (that was in the theatre but also available on DVD)
Nikkeh: Bad Girls
the_dhamphir: I still have to get the musical on dvd sometime
fsc_ralst: I managed to see it at the theatre and it was great. Got the dvd too
Nikkeh: is there a must watch list somewhere i can sheat from?
fsc_ralst: I think we all have our own, don’t we?
Xenavirgin: Technically the must watch list should be anything and everything that has strong femal characters in it.
the_dhamphir: Did anyone notice the parallels between the main characters in Orange/Black and Wentworth?
mandygirl78: Saw it when I was visiting England in 2006.
the_dhamphir: Between Piper and Bea?
Xenavirgin: Um D, as soon as I saw the info for Orange, I realised it was a rif on Prisoner Cell Block H/Wentworth and Bad Girls.
Liberty Stewart: Is there any canon femslash in Orange/Black and Wentworth or is it only subtext at the moment?
the_dhamphir: it canon
fsc_ralst: Not a rip off. Most prison dramas have recognisable elements, but it’s how they’re executed that makes all the dfference
docwho2100: Throwing in good British shows with potential, has anyone seen The Fall?
fsc_ralst: Oh canon baby
Liberty Stewart: Both?
fsc_ralst: I saw The Fall… stupid bloody ending
Whedonist: Nope, I’ve heard about it though…does it live up to the hype?
Xenavirgin: No I missed it Doc,
Whedonist: LOL, so the it gets the ralst stamp of approval?
Liberty Stewart: What is the Fall?
the_dhamphir: It stars Gillian Anderson…. of COURSE I saw it.
docwho2100: they are filming the second season
the_dhamphir: that woman gets hotter with age!
fsc_ralst: I was not overly impressed with The Fall but I did like seeing Gillian Anderson and Archie Panjabi in scenes together, not to mention the actress who played the young PC
docwho2100: I figured you would D and I agree
Whedonist: Preach D.
Whedonist: Gillian Anderson could be on my screen more
the_dhamphir: just got hot in here
fsc_ralst: @whedonist which?
Whedonist: *fand D*
quietheartedfsc: *fanning D*
Whedonist: Gillian Anderson, Archie, too…I haven’t caught much of The Good Wife
the_dhamphir: *drinking ice water*
michelle_2011: I could stand to hear some more about GA
the_dhamphir: GA… makes straight women gay and gay men straight… lol
Liberty Stewart: I never saw the appeal of Gillian Anderson. I probably enjoyed a cartoon character raved about Scully more then I actually enjoyed Scully.
the_dhamphir: and lesbians swoon
michelle_2011: She is an aquired taste
Whedonist: Scully was def. a chracter I crushed on…damn her
Whedonist: smart women are hot, hands down.
mandygirl78: GA is still hot.
docwho2100: I want to see more of the ME
michelle_2011: there you go
fsc_ralst: Cosima – Orphan Black – fills the smark woman = hot thing too
the_dhamphir: Scully defined Smart is Sexy
michelle_2011: Yes she did
michelle_2011: I beleive Chris Carter wanted to cast a beautiful women with brains as Scully
fsc_ralst: The X-files was a long time ago, has anyone re-definited the smart, sexy woman since then?
Whedonist: I don’t think I know many women that are attracted to the hot, but not a lot going on, I know in characters, they need to have more than a pretty face for me to get.
the_dhamphir: dr hotpants, maybe
yurianimeotaku: Cosima is HAWT
Whedonist: Maura Isles…Emily Prentiss…DR Hotpants!, I can’t believe I blanked on Lauren
Whedonist: Myka for sure, doc
the_dhamphir: Lauren Lewis
Cherokee62: yes to ALL the above
the_dhamphir: HG is just…. sex on a stick
quietheartedfsc: ain’t she just. *G*
Whedonist: I miss Thirteen on house a lot, but Olivia Wilde is sexy at all times forever, so…
the_dhamphir: she can’t help but be, that just Jamie
quietheartedfsc: Yep, Jaime rockes it in all her roles.
Whedonist: Jamie was hot even as a raving psycotic on Dexter, did you all see it?
quietheartedfsc: definitely worked it with Lucy Lawless in Spartacus
the_dhamphir: and as a alien on Defiance
Whedonist: yes to Sthama
Whedonist: and those baths
fsc_ralst: Some actors just seem to bring that vibe to all their roles
the_dhamphir: she really seems to enjoy playing bi characters *G*
e_m_praetorian: So true, D
Liberty Stewart: Smart and sexy? Little seen show, but Autumn Reeser was a fan fave on a show called No Ordinary Family for playing this type of character.
quietheartedfsc: Bad Girl is her thing too.
Whedonist: What was it about, Liberty?
Whedonist: never heard of it
Liberty Stewart: No Ordinary Famiyl was a superhero show on ABC. Autumn played Julie Benz’s sidekick.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I loved that show… No Ordinary Family
Whedonist: oh, i remember that now, short lived if I recall, Chickliss was the dad, right?
Whedonist: I liked him in the Commish
the_dhamphir: So other than Orange/BLank and Wentworth, do you think there are any other new fandoms that may be ready to explode with fanfic?
Liberty Stewart: @Gin: It sucked the show ended right before Autumn and Chickless’s sidekick George were going to get superpowers. Though Autumn had superpowers temporarily.
Xenavirgin: Major Crimes?
fsc_ralst: Orphan Black
Gin Akasarahsmom: Under the Dome has potential… but I don’t really see anything else on the horizon.. nothing big I mean
fsc_ralst: I guess The Fosters isn’t the kind of show to get the fanfic treatment?
the_dhamphir: Orphan Black and Under the Dome have canon pairings. As does the Fosters.
the_dhamphir: Do you think canon pairings hurt or help fanfic?
Nikkeh: under the dome i dont think itll explode
quietheartedfsc: No really great matchs for Sharon in Major Crimes. The Closer had more potential
Whedonist: I was thinking about the Fosters…but I don’t think it’ll be fic’d much
Xenavirgin: @Ralst I’m not sure, haven’t watched it yet. But the L Word had fanfic so i suppose it might.
Whedonist: I think canon hurts more than it helps…
Xenavirgin: @ QH, I’d love to see her tame the snotty new DDA. heheheh
Liberty Stewart: @Gin: BTW I always had a fic idea where that pairs Autumn from NOF and Glory from Buffy.
fsc_ralst: Depends on the pairings. I can see Orange/Black, Orphan Black, Wentworth doing well with the canon pairings, but not so much The Fosters
Whedonist: What, do you think, D??
quietheartedfsc: Yes, definitely hurts, no need to fix what ain’t broke, which drives fanfiction.
Liberty Stewart: @D: Canon pairings seems to hurt fanfic for some reason.
the_dhamphir: For the most part, I think canon pairing hurt.
the_dhamphir: though there do seem to be exceptions
quietheartedfsc: XV, yeah, the DA does have a bit of potential. lol Whips and chains time on that one.
the_dhamphir: like Grey’s Anatomy
the_dhamphir: and Lost Girl
Liberty Stewart: @D: Majority of femslash revolves around straight characters which speaks for itself.
fsc_ralst: But a lot of the current canon pairings are broke, so you still need to fix them. Like the fic explosion during the Bad Grls early years
the_dhamphir: Oh yes, there was a lot of GL fic.
the_dhamphir: is a lot
the_dhamphir: the Fosters are a cool couple, but they don’t need fixing
Whedonist: ABCFamily has done some solid work with their lesbian characters
the_dhamphir: and personally, I’m not into kid fic, and that show focuses on their kids a lot
fsc_ralst: Broken canon is good for fanfic but happy canon is not
Whedonist: Emily Fields on PLL has been a game changer to the younger audience
the_dhamphir: it’s great to see that representation in that age group
the_dhamphir: and to see her fully accepted by her friends
Xenavirgin: I’m afraid I must be off kidlets. I really want to work on my net chapter of Lord of the Nile before bed.
Whedonist: I know I didn’t have that type of representation growing up…I watch with my niece and her and her friends are all much more accepting, which is cool to see
fsc_ralst: Night XV
the_dhamphir: I rememeber being that age, and someone wrote so and so was a homo on the chaulkboard. most of us shrug and had to ask what it meant!
Xenavirgin: Ralst, QH, AJ, D and all you lovely Minions and Mistresses. You are TOTAL AWESOME SAUCE!!!
the_dhamphir: night xv
quietheartedfsc: *hurrying XV out the door* Bye, been fun, get to work
Whedonist: have a good night XV
Xenavirgin: Yes QH, off to Nubia and Lurid wet dreams for a certain female Pharaoh… bwahahahahah
quietheartedfsc: heheheh Need my fix.
Whedonist: Did any of you see the graph that charted the correlation between lgbtq representation on tv and lgbtq acceptance and the stance on marriage equality?
the_dhamphir: so yeah, the change in openness and acceptance is really nice to see
Whedonist: it’s pretty interesting to look at
Whedonist: the article’s pretty good to read too =D
fsc_ralst: So I’m guessing better representation equals better acceptance?
Whedonist: It’s the exposure, and the ability for people to identify with the character
Whedonist: I’ve had conversations with people that have only had exposure to the LGBtQ community through a chracter they’ve seen on tv which is silly, I’m sure they know someone it’s just that someone is in the closet
Liberty Stewart: going back on canon, anyone writes canon gay/bi characters who have little to no one? This can actually qualify as broken canon in a way.
Whedonist: What do you mean Liberty?
fsc_ralst: @Liberty do you mean write for single gay/bi characters?
Liberty Stewart: I mean write pairings (often crossover) involving characters who don’t really have anyone to ship them with in their source material.
Whedonist: usually, I don’t crossover, if there’s a character that needs a pairing, I’ll probably create one.
fsc_ralst: I don’t tend to write crossovers but I’ve definitely felt the urge to pair characters who don’t have anyone in their own fandom
yurianimeotaku: @Liberty Like Lilly Rush?
fsc_ralst: Creating original characters can be tricky but sometimes it’s the only way
the_dhamphir: but Lilly wasn’t canonically gay/bi that we know of
Liberty Stewart: @yuri: Lily Rush is straight isn’t she?
yurianimeotaku: @Liberty The woman wore boxer shorts, so I kept wondering.
quietheartedfsc: Yeah, don’t find those at Victoria’s
yurianimeotaku: @QH True
Whedonist: I’ve never met a straight woman who wore boxer shorts….I’m sure they exist…but….
the_dhamphir: she was only shown to date men on the show. but does that automatically mean she’s canonically straight?
Gin Akasarahsmom: I wear boxers…
Gin Akasarahsmom: oh.. wait…
the_dhamphir: I do get tired of the default orientation of straight unless otherwise stated outright
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I’m pretty straight.. married to a guy and all.
fsc_ralst: My mind is blanking on gay/bi characters without potential in-fandom pairings, I know they’re out there but I can’t think of any
quietheartedfsc: *biting my tongue at gin*
e_m_praetorian: right there with you D
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m sorta straight!!
the_dhamphir: *snickering* at gin
Gin Akasarahsmom: kinda…
Gin Akasarahsmom: really
quietheartedfsc: sorta being the optimal word
Liberty Stewart: For example there’s an bi character from the show the LA Complex who doesn’t really have any other woman to pair her with since she started going at it with a straight woman.
quietheartedfsc: best you’ll get from me is male leaning bi, gin
yurianimeotaku: @QH LOL
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL…
the_dhamphir: considering you’ve said you’d consider a female partner if anything ever happened to your husband, yeah, i’d agree with QH
quietheartedfsc: I read your work, remember?
the_dhamphir: that too!
Cherokee62: @Gin…well that answers a LOT of questions I never wanted to ask…lol
quietheartedfsc: HL just got to her first
fsc_ralst: Would you rather a writer make up an original character, to pair with a lonely gay/bi character, or involve them in a crossover?
Liberty Stewart: @D: Funny thing another character I had mind was a character who wasn’t outright stated as gay, but everything about her shows no signs of being straight.
quietheartedfsc: ralst, either works, just depends on whether you want to deal with the extra fandom dynamics
Liberty Stewart: @ralst: crossover or fall under the trap of writing a Mary Sue.
e_m_praetorian: I would like an OC if the character was well written
the_dhamphir: not every OC is a Mary Sue. I’m sick of that fallacy as well.
fsc_ralst: Not all originals are Mary Sues, if written correctly
e_m_praetorian: true that D
Whedonist: Depends on the character and what I want out of them, sometimes I need the character to grow a certain way and the best way is to crossover with a character they will do that with.
Whedonist: I’ve toyed with an Alex Cabot/Willow Rosenberg pairing a few times…it’s always interesting the places they go in my head.
fsc_ralst: I think if writing an original character into a fandom I’d want someone else to read it and tell me if I’m Mary Sueing, just to be safe
the_dhamphir: that’s what a good beta can do for you
the_dhamphir: or even just a friend
fsc_ralst: Yeah. I think you need that.
quietheartedfsc: My friends would tell me in a heartbeat. None of them tolerate MSs
the_dhamphir: I’m SO thankful I’ve got one of the BEST betas out there as my primary. And I’ve fantastic secondary betas as well.
Liberty Stewart: Question about Mary Sues, can a character qualify as one if they’re the villain of the story?
fsc_ralst: Mos writers aren’t that lucky
yurianimeotaku: @Liberty How about “straight” female characters that the writers never paired with a man…ever.
Liberty Stewart: @yuri: who would be an example?
the_dhamphir: @ ralst. I know. I’m very lucky and very thankful
quietheartedfsc: same here
yurianimeotaku: @Liberty I’ve been trying to think of one.
Whedonist: i heard rumblings about a beta reader list going up after the con, Ralst, can you confirm or deny? I’m in need of a good one…
the_dhamphir: aj said you and she were going to work on up dating a beta list, ralst
fsc_ralst: I wasn’t on the Beta panel but I know it’s something we’d dicussed, so I’m gonna say probably
fsc_ralst: Oh, in that case, yes I am
Whedonist: LOL, good to be looped in?
Liberty Stewart: @ralst: you can’t think of any bi/gay characters who don’t have anyone to pair them with? I can think of 3 at the moment. Or at least not breaking major canon in the process.
fsc_ralst: I’ve got two beta lists already, one on the archive and one on the lj comm
quietheartedfsc: She’s just the leader. The minions scurry about and update when they think about it. lol
fsc_ralst: @Liberty who are they?
yurianimeotaku: @Liberty It seems every single character I think of gets married off, either right before the series ends or the character leaves the show.
e_m_praetorian: married off or killed off
fsc_ralst: did I crash again or have we slowed down?
the_dhamphir: your still here
fsc_ralst: That’s a relief
quietheartedfsc: slo-mo replay
fsc_ralst: Anyone planning to tackle a new fandom in the coming weeks/months?
Liberty Stewart: @ralst: Laura Knight from LA Complex (canon bi), a character Joanna Garcia played named corrine in a abc family supernatural movie called initiation of sarah. Joanne wasn’t outright staighted, but showed no signs of being attracted to men, charmed women and kiss a women.
michelle_2011: thanks for the panels and everything femslash
quietheartedfsc: *raising hand*
Liberty Stewart: outright stated*
the_dhamphir: yes, qh?
fsc_ralst: Not seen eiher of those
quietheartedfsc: was respondng to ralst’s question
Liberty Stewart: Judge Cassie Anderson from Dredd is canonically ambiguously gay too.
fsc_ralst: What fandom, Q?
fsc_ralst: Was she the empath from the movie? Isn’t Judge Dredd gay?
quietheartedfsc: BG, PP and O/B
fsc_ralst: You’re trying to kill me with acronyms, aren’t you? I know the last but what are the other two?
the_dhamphir: bomb girls
Liberty Stewart: @ralst- Yup she’s the empath. Both are ambiguously gay according the creators.
quietheartedfsc: Bomb Girls, Pitch Perfect and Orange is the New Black
the_dhamphir: ah, PP is the one i didn’t know… lol
Whedonist: ah! I was struggling with the PP
Gin Akasarahsmom: OITNB… live it.. learn it… use it
fsc_ralst: Gotcha. What pairings?
alannasky: hi and thanks everyone for this and panelts and helpers and etc…im sad that i could have only attended for a short time on this panel and others today due to circumstances…but no matter i enjoy each moment and i thanks you guys for it
Whedonist: The dogs need to take me for a walk ladies and I need to go, thanks to you all for a wonderful con!
yurianimeotaku: Thank you everyone who gave their time to put on another GREAT Femslashcon.
fsc_ralst: @alannasky I’m glad you enjoyed what you did manage to get to
quietheartedfsc: McWitham, Becca/Chloe and Chapman/Vauss
fsc_ralst: Thank you to everyone for taking part
Liberty Stewart: @ralst: Dredd’s original creator was a creative adviser for the new movie and word has it there was a mouth to mouth scene between Dredd and Anderson near the end of the film in the script, and the creator opposed to the scene cause he didn’t want there to be any romantic subtext between to two.
fsc_ralst: Yes, McWitham! They’re hard to find. Also, Chapman/Vause
Liberty Stewart: @ralst: Dredd creator is faithful to their ambiguously gay protagonist. So that’s a plus.
fsc_ralst: @Liberty good call. It would have been out of place
the_dhamphir: Thanks to everyone for attending the Hot Topics panel.