the_dhamphir: Welcome to the Grey’s Anatomy panel/chat
the_dhamphir: I’m dhamphir, your friendly mod
the_dhamphir: you can just call me D
the_dhamphir: Everyone one a panelist please change your text to black
the_dhamphir: *not a panelist
the_dhamphir: due to some tech difficulties, we don’t really have a panel for Grey’s anatomy
the_dhamphir: So I’m going to open this up to discussion, by sking everyone some questions.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: that sounds good.
the_dhamphir: Callica or Calzona… which do you prefer and whu?
Whedonist: I’m in
the_dhamphir: and please excuse my typos. my fingers don’t want to work right today. ; )
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Calzona, I really like Arizona’s character.
Whedonist: Calzona, mainly due to my super soft spot for one Arizona Robbins.
Kaqlittle: calzona I don’t think the actress that played Erica is hot
Whedonist: Callie is an amazing character in her own right, but Arizona’s dimples get the better of me.
shesgottaread: Callica, ’cause I stopped watching when I didn’t like Arizon
the_dhamphir: really, sgr?
shesgottaread: yeah *sheepish grins*
Whedonist: I with they had done more with Erica Hahn though. They could have developed her more and provided more beyond the ‘glasses speech’ that freaked callie out.
displacedwarrior: Calzona because I love Arizona but I feel jipped at the way Callica eneded, I liked Erica Hanh.
Whedonist: * I wish
the_dhamphir: Has anyone here written Grey’s Anatomy fic?
Whedonist: @displacedwarrior, exactly they ended it horribly.
shesgottaread: and that maybe a lot of why I don’t care for Arizona. Erica disappearing like that was crap
BetweenLove_n_Hate: almost as bad as when a character goes into the attic in a soap opera and never comes back
Whedonist: *hangs head* nope, I’ve read a lot of it.
the_dhamphir: do you think if they’d developed Erica the way they have Arizona, she would still be on the show?
BetweenLove_n_Hate: No, have never written for them. though I read more fandoms then I write
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I think she would be. It would have been an interesting thing to see an Erica/Callie/Arizona triangle
Whedonist: @dhamphir, I don’t know, because of the lack development, I never got a true sense of how Erica/Callie really worked.
the_dhamphir: i don’t think the show gave Erica enough time.
Whedonist: I don’t think so either, which sucks.
Whedonist: Late in life lesbians can be interesting and her progression would have made for excellent story telling.
shesgottaread: no, definitely not enough time. but hmmm, what abt Erica/Arizona, could that have developed if Erica had still been there when Arizona appeared?
the_dhamphir: if there was an Erica/Callie/Arizona triangle, who do you think would have won Callie… and why?
Whedonist: I dn’t think I’ve given that much thought, but…I’m not sure, given Arizona’s character…I can kind of see Erica shedding a little blood.
displacedwarrior: Arizona knows how to fight dirty on the playground too thoug xD
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Hmm…good question indeed. I’m partial to Arizona so I’d LIKE to think she’d win but it’d all depend
the_dhamphir: Yeah, Arizona is cute, but she’d fight for what she wants
alezabee: I like to think that Arizona would win, and she is definitely fierce
BetweenLove_n_Hate: especailly if Callie is still so interested in having a child and Arizona isn’t but Erica is/might have been? that would have sealed the deal i’m sure
displacedwarrior: I think given the way the Callica storyline was handled, it’s hard to compare the twp
Whedonist: I gotta give Robbins the win, if only for the discrepncies between the storylines.
alezabee: Also, I wonder if experience could have factored in. Erica is also new to lesbian relationships, so Callie could be more comfortable with her. Then again, Arizona is more confident in her lesbianiasm, which is attractive
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Very true!
BetweenLove_n_Hate: it’s a hard thing to guess about because there was never any interaction between the three of them to begin with. Though it’d certainly make for GREAT fic if Erica comes back after Calzona starts a relationship
the_dhamphir: I agree
Jaely: I think Erica’s newness to it all would have scared Calli sooner rather than later so I would give Arizona the win…
Kaqlittle: I read one like that. Arizona won
Whedonist: That’d be an interesting plot line for S9.
the_dhamphir: Speaking of which…
the_dhamphir: What do think is going to happen to Arizona following the cliffhanger of last season?
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Lol well the favors are for Arizona right now. But that’s expected, isn’t it? Since we’ve seen the two of them together for ‘so long’
Whedonist: *L*, I don’t want to think about it.
the_dhamphir: and what do you WANT to see?
displacedwarrior: @Whedonist me neither
Whedonist: Lexie come back and for Mer to not do the voiceovers
Whedonist: *to come back
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Ugh, I WANT them to give her a good contract so they don’t kill her off. But I could see the show killing her off and making Mark and Callie get together and raise Sophie together
Whedonist: I’m on the Crisitina train for voice overs, more snark.
Whedonist: Bite your tongue @between.
Kaqlittle: that would suck about mark and Callie
the_dhamphir: yes, it would!
Whedonist: Mark and Callie as friends work. As partners…*makes face*
Jaely: This makes me sad… I think they are going to not bring Arizona back… I mean how many times have we seen the gay couple get torn apart in shows… but I hope that she will be alright come next season.
Whedonist: that makes me feel all skeevy inside
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Oh I’ve bitten it, hit my head against the wall done everything possible, but it does make sense if she doesn’t sign up for her contract that they can kill her off or Mark off if they so choose
alezabee: I really, really want Arizona back. Lexie not dead would be great, but Chyler Leigh chose to leave
Whedonist: I’ll be the voice of Pollyanna here and channel my inner Robbins, I think Arizona will come back. I don’t know health wise she’ll be, but I really do think she’s not going anywhere
displacedwarrior: I would feel better about Arizona without all the foreshadowing that makes it look really bad for Arizona
the_dhamphir: I keep checking the Wikipedia pages to see if Jessica has been signed on the new season
alezabee: I hope JCap isn’t also thinking of leaving. She did just have a baby, so it could be a similar thing and they’re stretching out the cliffhanger
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I’ma miss Lexie and I’m not going to watch the show if they kill Arizona off. I want her back like NO tomorrow. Especailly since Callie’s all happy and totally delerious waiting for her. (Though that would add for dramatic effect if they kill her off)
displacedwarrior: but @Whedonist I hope you’re right
Whedonist: Did anyone see Shonda’s speech at the awards this season
BetweenLove_n_Hate: AND Arizona never promised Callie she wouldn’t leave her, but had Callie promise to never leave her.
Whedonist: she’s a fan of Calzona and I really hope it stays that way
BetweenLove_n_Hate: no didn’t see it but I’m glad to hear she’s a fan.
Whedonist: @dhamphir, I ithought JCap confirmed her contract…?
the_dhamphir: If she did, I missed it.
Whedonist: @between if you check Afterellen or PM me I can send you the link, it’s like 10 min long speech
the_dhamphir: Which is entirely possible
the_dhamphir: Do you think Grey’s would lose a lot of it’s audience if they kill of Arizona?
Whedonist: Now, I’m gonna have to make sure so I can be in my own pink bubble till the season starts
alezabee: I think they would definitely piss off a lot of the audience
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I don’t know. I know I’d no longer watch can’t say for anyone else
Whedonist: I think it would lose some if it’s fans
Jaely: I would lose interest to be honest I only started to watch because of them..
the_dhamphir: Same here, Jaely
Whedonist: @Jaely, you too?
Kaqlittle: me too
the_dhamphir: I think it’s nice to have a canon lesbian couple that isn’t just a gimmick for sweeps
Jaely: my mom sent me this clip of them in an email and said "you have to watch this show" I watched it and was like "oh that is so cool" and I started to watch at that point
Kaqlittle: I agree
Whedonist: The first few seasons, pre-Callie, weren’t nearly as interesting as post.
Whedonist: for me at least.
the_dhamphir: i agree
the_dhamphir: What some of your favorite fanfics, that you would recommend?
Kaqlittle: I agree. I tried to go back and watch her from the beginning on the show but I could not. all those looks at George. eeeew
Whedonist: Rightnow, I’m loving Aftershocks by…crap, I forget, someone, help?
Whedonist: umn, Pen…something?
Kaqlittle: I love Life in Technicolor
Whedonist: Also a great series
the_dhamphir: anyone else?
Whedonist: I had a question
the_dhamphir: Go ahead
Alert: Whedonist hand was lowered by the_dhamphir
alezabee: I really like A. Windsor’s universes
Whedonist: This goes more for demographic makup, from my experience, most of the time if you read/write femslash
alezabee: it’s more babyfic/family stuff, but if that’s your deal then they’re great
Whedonist: most of the women I’ve met are lesbian or bi, but for Calzona I’ve read some that are straight but really just love the story between the two, for the readers/writers out there, why do you think that is?
the_dhamphir: Good question, Whedonist
the_dhamphir: I think part of it is because Callie identified as straight for so long. And she’s very relatable, I think. Perhaps straight women identify with her. That, and let’s face it, they did a great job with the build up of the romance between Callie and Arizona.
Whedonist: yeah, Callie’s shouldting match with her dad and the ending , "You can’t pray away the gay!" was pretty iconic
Kaqlittle: but is it just calzona?
Whedonist: It was a great scene
the_dhamphir: what do you mean Kaq?
Kaqlittle: do straight women read more fandoms than calzona?
displacedwarrior: I think Otalia had a fairly decent straight woman following, if I recall.
the_dhamphir: Oh. I’m sure there are straight women that read other fandoms.
Whedonist: I think they do, and I’m not sayin it was just calzona, just from my experience,
the_dhamphir: I think Whedonist was referring to the fact that it appears Calzona has attracted more straight women than usual to a femslash pairing.
Whedonist: I’m pretty limited in terms of what I read in fanfic…so I’m sure there are others.
Whedonist: Exactly, @dhamphir.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Buffy had a good ‘straight’ following for Willow/Tara
the_dhamphir: ; )
Kaqlittle: yeah. being that it is on prime time tv.
alezabee: I think it’s good writing. They make Callie and Arizona interesting as an actual couple, and not just "hey look, lesbians"
Kaqlittle: they do.
Whedonist: *L* very true.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I think, it has to do with the WAY the pairing is shown. I mean do straight women LOOK for subtext between women on shows? Looking at Grey’s, Guiding Light, and Buffy, it reached a wider audience and HAD the couple ON the screen, rather than just hinting at it
BetweenLove_n_Hate: and it was very well done on all three, in my opinion at least.
the_dhamphir: And they’re not on the screen as "the lesbian couple" but as just another one of the couples. If that makes sense.
Whedonist: It was, which is rare…
Kaqlittle: I don’t watch guiding light but I agree for the other two
BetweenLove_n_Hate: the shows ‘humanized’ or made a lesbian couple the ‘natural’ thing/progression rather than the sweeps week one hit wonder
BetweenLove_n_Hate: @dhamphir, I agree. they were just one of the gang
alezabee: It’s true. In my experience, a lot of people don’t look for subtext, and it can be argued that lesbian/bi women (or femslash fans of any sexual orientation) need to find subtext in more places because there is so little maintext
the_dhamphir: Callie and Arizona have done a good job of showing that lesbians are really any different from everyone else.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: and each of those shows had an episode where they dealt with their sexuality. Guiding light a few MORE episodes than some would like, but they made it real. In Grey’s the confrentation with the family was VERY real, especailly b/c of the religion
Whedonist: It does make sense. Being ‘one of the gang’ apparently just makes it better for people, not LGBTQ, to absorb and assimilate
Jaely: yeah I don’t think to many straight women look for subtext… I know women that watch shows we all see a lot fo subtext in and they don’t get it at all.
the_dhamphir: *really NOT any different
Whedonist: pretty much
the_dhamphir: <– fingers can’t keep up with brain
Whedonist: Besides favorite fics, does anyone have a preference for type of fic that you like to read?
the_dhamphir: If you could meet any of the characters in person, not the actor, the character, which would it be and why?
the_dhamphir: also a good question, Whedonist.
Whedonist: I’d want to have a drink with Yang and Bailey
Whedonist: and maybe as Yang when her and Meridith are going to hook up…’cause really?
the_dhamphir: LOL. I think they’d be hysterical
Kaqlittle: I like to read the fics where they meet differently than the show
Whedonist: @Kaq, do you like them to still be in the medical profession or not?
the_dhamphir: Does anyone like to read Meridith/Yang fic?
Kaqlittle: at least one in the medical profession but most times both
Whedonist: oddly, enough, I don’t. *L*
displacedwarrior: I like them better as platonic soulmates
the_dhamphir: Or does everyone here see them only BFF’s?
the_dhamphir: *only as
the_dhamphir: plantonic soulmate is a great way to say it
BetweenLove_n_Hate: lol yes, platonic soulmates works for me too
BetweenLove_n_Hate: though I do like Yang/Teddie
Whedonist: In my head, they hook up once to get it out of their system, ’cause they have these moments on screen…but mostly platonic soulmates most of the time.
the_dhamphir: well, they are each other’s "person".
Whedonist: Yang/Teddie’s and interesting one.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: and I’d like to meet Teddie in person. (shrug) I just like her
alezabee: I agree with Whedonist. They hook up one time. And it’s really hot
BetweenLove_n_Hate: lol would have LOVED to meet Lexie but…sadly
alezabee: I like Teddy too. I wish she hadn’t had such a terrible time (comes to reunite with guy she loves, he is using her to please his gf, then gets married, then the guy dies)
the_dhamphir: Yeah, Teddy’s been thru the wringer!
Kaqlittle: yeah is she really leaving?
alezabee: Granted, they all need some intensive therapy at this point
the_dhamphir: *lol* yes, they do, alezabee
BetweenLove_n_Hate: and I don’t know. I’ll be really sad if she does leave
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I mean, who are they going to replace all this cast with that’s supposedly leaving?
BetweenLove_n_Hate: though I am happy Kepner will HAVE to stay. I like her too. lol
the_dhamphir: Are there any other pairings that interest you on Grey’s?
displacedwarrior: Anyone else Kepner/OFC, I don’t have specific character I like her with but I’d like to see her with a woman
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I’ll defenitly agree on wanting Kepner with a woman as well.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: now femslash pairings or just pairings in general?
Kaqlittle: I read an addison teddy fic. it was good
the_dhamphir: I was thinking femslash pairing
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Addison/Merideth stories
the_dhamphir: What about Bailey? Anyone see her in a femslash pairing?
alezabee: Addison/Teddy and Addison/Meredith
displacedwarrior: I adore Bailey but not really.
alezabee: Addison’s hot
the_dhamphir: yes, she is, alezabee *G*
displacedwarrior: maybe AU Bailey…..
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I love Bailey and could see it. But I don’t think with any existing characters, so it’d have to be OFC
the_dhamphir: I think there’s quite a bit Addison/Izzy fic out there
Kaqlittle: I am not a fan of izzy
BetweenLove_n_Hate: me either
displacedwarrior: nor me
the_dhamphir: Okay, there’s about 6 minutes left until the panel starts.
Gin Akasarahsmom: the next panel she means
the_dhamphir: What kind of crossover would you like to see written for Grey’s Anatomy.
the_dhamphir: If any
BetweenLove_n_Hate: E.R. Kerry Weaver
BetweenLove_n_Hate: oh oh oh Kerry Weaver and Bailey!
shesgottaread: Def. ER/Greys
the_dhamphir: LOL Weaver and Bailey would awesome. *G*
BetweenLove_n_Hate: uhm…. I read a good, unfinished Guiding Light/Grey’s story
BetweenLove_n_Hate: lol anyone for a Grey’s Twilight crossover? lol
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Carlisle can be the new doctor at Mercy West
alezabee: Well they do live in Washington State already
Kaqlittle: wow. I like it. r Alice and Bella together?
BetweenLove_n_Hate: yep. lol and a Rosalie/Lexie story could be good
BetweenLove_n_Hate: Well Bella/Alice IS one of my OTP’s
BetweenLove_n_Hate: hell Esme can be the third Grey sister
alezabee: I think the world needs more Bella/Alice fics
BetweenLove_n_Hate: I completely agree. I just read through a whole bunch and am saddened by the fact that there are so little LONG ones left to read
shesgottaread: 2 minutes left until the next panel.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: if you haven’t read it yet alexabee, read Tossing Stones
the_dhamphir: Okay, 2 minutes left. Any final reqs for Grey’s fic?
alezabee: Thanks, Between. I’ll check it out
shesgottaread: bring Addison back?
shesgottaread: and D, thanks for moderating this panel!
the_dhamphir: Okay then. It’s been great.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: lol YES, bring her back.
BetweenLove_n_Hate: thanks for modding dhamphir!
the_dhamphir: You’re welcome.