quietheartedfsc: Hello, and welcome to the Rizzoli & Isles panel
Ravenfairy00: *fangirl squee for QH
quietheartedfsc: I’m quiethearted and I write the Bass Isles fics…
quietheartedfsc: lol raven
quietheartedfsc: we’ll start by having our panelists introduce themselves
crackinois: Hi all, I’m Jenna, I’m currently writing the Hunger Games Rizzles AU "Tribute" and another longer work "Of Arias and High Sticking" Greetings from Iowa
Anamatics: Hey everyone, I’m Ellen. Currently I am writing a series of unrelated oneshots, but in the past I’ve written a few long fics for R&I – Most notably A Gentleman’s Dilemma.
Anamatics: Greetings from the QC
quietheartedfsc: and kd
KDWilliamson: Hello everyone from North Carolina I’m Kim currently writing The Beautiful Lie and responsible for finished works One Shot, Uprising, Scarlet Letter, Hurricane
quietheartedfsc: that makes 2 of us from NC…it’s a southern panel, y’all.
KDWilliamson: woot woot
crackinois: well I’m originally from Bama so…
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yee Haw
sunsetwriter: woo hoo for southern women!
handprinted: I’m here from Georgia as well.
Anamatics: (SEC SEC SEC /footbal)
tuesfork: I’ve spent lots of time in NC, does that count?
KDWilliamson: hells yeah
crackinois: and now we’ll talk about football instead of R&I LOL
quietheartedfsc: I finally had a moment to watch this weeks ep before the con started…and wasn’t Jane just the sweetest thing to offer Maura her kidney? *G*
Otakugamer01: which if find funny cause the characters are in boston
the_dhamphir: i’m gonna move there to NC. ; )
quietheartedfsc: it was a definite awwww moment
Anamatics: it was pretty cute. The Maura’s Kidney tumblr, however, is amazing
KDWilliamson: Yes she was I try to catch the hilights before I actually watch
Otakugamer01: *note to self move to NC
KDWilliamson: don’t want to be disappointed
Anamatics: don’t it’s hoooooot
KDWilliamson: Yes it isssssss
Stacicle: Hello! Finally, didn’t realize I’d have to update the software.
Otakugamer01: i’m in TX, i’ll be fine
quietheartedfsc: hey staci
KDWilliamson: That’s wet heat in TX lol
sunsetwriter: it’s the humidity that kills you!
Ravenfairy00: what is wet heat? no nvm i don’t want to know lol
quietheartedfsc: hey, free saunas all summer long…what’s to complain?
Stacicle: Hi QH
quietheartedfsc: so anyone have any questions for our panelists?
tuesfork: How are you handling the onslaught of this season’s male love interests
crackinois: Personally? or in fic? lol
sunsetwriter: by ignoring them?!
KDWilliamson: is back from the boot
tuesfork: In fic
quietheartedfsc: wb kd
quietheartedfsc: Bass has ways of getting rid of them. *G*
crackinois: in fic, the couple of season 3 one shots I’ve done, I try to find realistic ways to boot them out of the picture "What’s in a Name" and "I’d Give You Anything" are the 2 I’ve done in S3
Anamatics: I’m fine with them. They’re there, you know? In Fic, I just have everyone have sex with everyone! it’s brilliant and works perfectly. I like to write angst so that really works well, I think.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Where is Bass this season?
Anamatics: Jo Friday ate him
AlexReading: Haven’t seen Bass yet.
KDWilliamson: what did I miss
tuesfork: Yes, where did Bass go?
quietheartedfsc: we jsut started kd
AlexReading: and watson?
KDWilliamson: a lot of things are missing this season so far
quietheartedfsc: go ahead otak
sunsetwriter: is his name really watson? have they said that on the show or just twitter?
AlexReading: TwitterJane called him watson i think
tuesfork: Sunny asks, because she writes tortoise smut
Anamatics: I think it’s maybe just fanon at this point. The sort of fanon that will eventually become canon.
Anamatics: Like Francesco being Frankie’s real name
Otakugamer01: do you find it difficult to continue writing when you hear Tamaro basically backpeddaling from the closeness in the characters
KDWilliamson: No I don’t because my stance is we will always have fanfic
Ravenfairy00: i might have seen 2 pics on tumblr where they freeze framed and you could see *watson at janes place. in his little home.
quietheartedfsc: I’ve never listened to TPTB and never will.
KDWilliamson: and imagination
crackinois: I don’t, I just rewrite scenes from the show or in longer works they become my own and I try to keep to a S1 feel of their relationship
Anamatics: Not really, I just think that JTam is a victim of her own sucess, doesn’t like the fact that she made this gay-ass show and as KD says, we’ll always have fanfic
KDWilliamson: S1 was the best for chemistry
Anamatics: True, although I do like oversexed S2 maura a lot (because smutshots)
KDWilliamson: She’s afraid to let their chemistry carry the show imo
crackinois: I think the only issue now is S3 IMO isn’t giving us much to work with, I think it’s why everyone is writing AU now
sunsetwriter: agree KD
AlexReading: she picked the actress for their chemistry!
tuesfork: There’s plenty of that
quietheartedfsc: I think there’s a general fear of letting the subtext outweigh the text and losing audience over it
Anamatics: That said, I am enjoying S3 because it seems to be at least making an effort to focus on Rizzoli and Isles, rather than the random crime subplots and the cock of the week subplots that no one cares about too
KDWilliamson: all the characters have good chemistry they really need to do something with Frost I’m afraid its too little too late
Anamatics: Frostie is a thing
crackinois: Frostie is my new OTP lol
KDWilliamson: LOl they are so cute!
crackinois: I love writing Frostie, it’s my new crack
Anamatics: and then Angela and Cavanugh (bumping heads with Korsak and Angela)
Anamatics: (someone needs to write a good angsty fic about that love triangle)
crackinois: Don’t forget "Rondola"
Ravenfairy00: Love Angela. holy moly
sunsetwriter: I actually like Ang w/ Cav better than w/ Korsak
crackinois: See, this is what JTam has done to us….I’m writing male slash fic now hahaha
Anamatics: I’ve written a good of that. Basically the same thing, only less feelings and different plumbing
Gin Akasarahsmom: I can’t see Korsak with anyone… he’s nice.. but… um.. no.
KDWilliamson: but u gotta love Korsak
Ravenfairy00: aww Gin but Korsak is so cute sometimes.
KDWilliamson: and it depends on how u write them I think its good to add a little spin
psychotic-cat17: I love Korsak’s quirky animal lover thing
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. he is… but by himself… not with anyone.. lol
Anamatics: I love the older mentor guys on shows like this – Artie in WH13 is probs my all-time favorite tho
sunsetwriter: I had to laugh when someone pointed out he was a male Tyne Daly… think about it!
KDWilliamson: oh god don’t get me started on WH13
Anamatics: ;_; I know, but that’s not this panel!
KDWilliamson: lol Tyne Daly I like that
quietheartedfsc: we got a whole panel for that…lol
tuesfork: True sunny, and stop dating us
sunsetwriter: I was just waiting for someone to ask who she was!
quietheartedfsc: sorry, I’m in that age group too
Gin Akasarahsmom: who doesn’t know Tyne Daly??
KDWilliamson: me too shhh
tuesfork: I’d rather know Sharon Gless
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe
KDWilliamson: lol I’m sure
quietheartedfsc: oh, yeah!!1
the_dhamphir: i agree, tues
sunsetwriter: ditto on Gless!
tuesfork: But we digress……
Kaqlittle: I prefer Tyne
KDWilliamson: I just think there is this overwhelming fear that the show will lose popularity if they keep up with the gayzolli
tuesfork: Ha! you outquick me again
Anamatics: There is
Ravenfairy00: sharon gless is such a sweetie.
Gin Akasarahsmom: if they kept it like Season 1 it would be fine
crackinois: they’ve already lost millions of viewers since S1
quietheartedfsc: they haven’t learned to walk the fine line like Xena did.
tuesfork: Advertisers always call the shots anyway
Anamatics: because the show was so bad
KDWilliamson: but when you look at shows like Lost Girl, The Good Wife, hell even WH 13
sunsetwriter: I think JT is just pissed because people thought her BFF characters were gay
Anamatics: and Angie isn’t down with that
crackinois: Let’s be honest this isn’t groundbreaking tv, and if they ever want to seriously compete for awards they need to be more than a below average crime drama
crackinois: since they’re barely a drama and the crime plots aren’t that good lol
KDWilliamson: yeah I was about to say you have to take into account what the actors are will to do
the_dhamphir: no, but she’s the one that brings teh gay to Jane!
Gin Akasarahsmom: There are ALWAYS gonna be people who think BFF women are gay.. especially if they are strong independent women…
Gin Akasarahsmom: it kinda sucks in a way
Gin Akasarahsmom: because women CAN just be friends
quietheartedfsc: like me and Gin…*G*
Gin Akasarahsmom: in this case though.. they are SO not.
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl!!…
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. like me and QH…
sunsetwriter: True, but in this case it was the eyesex. Have you seen the way they look at each other???
Gin Akasarahsmom: we’re both taken by other people… but we’re still BFF’s
KDWilliamson: yes there is lots of eyeblazing
quietheartedfsc: their chemistry is superb.
Anamatics: it truly is
KDWilliamson: I agree QH
Gin Akasarahsmom: right.. sunset… they CAN be just friends… but, sometimes it is more… of course.. like Jane and Maura
Gin Akasarahsmom: or Xena and Gabrielle
sunsetwriter: and touch each other? All. the. time.
Stacicle: Text is back whew! What are we talking about?
quietheartedfsc: let me ask ya, if you could meet one or the other…the characters, not the actors, which would it be?
KDWilliamson: X and G was in its own class
Anamatics: So does anyone have any questions about fanfic? We’re all writers, so have at it.
Anamatics: okay that face was scary
handprinted: I think we can debate forever who is to "blame" for the show not going down the BFFs-turned-lovers route, but in terms of fanfiction, have any of the panelists gotten feedback that criticizes their decision to write about a same-sex relationship?
KDWilliamson: hmmm Maura I’m a sucker for a genius lol
tuesfork: Jane, deffo.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I would want to meet them both.. but I think I would be more comfortable with Jane… Maura is a little to.. fancy… I could have a beer with Jane
crackinois: there’s that little handraise button if people aren’t familiar with it, to put you in a question queue
Ravenfairy00: both. both is good
quietheartedfsc: handprinted had a question
sunsetwriter: tough question QH – they’re so different
Kaqlittle: id like to meet Jane
crackinois: @ handprinted…..I have not, I’ve gotten more hate when there are hetero interludes in my fic than anyone lashing out about it being femslash
Anamatics: I got hate for writing crack fic with Maura and her biomom
KDWilliamson: I haven’t gotten those kind of flames
crackinois: the Chris Kelly situation in my Jealousy fic though was a whole nother can of hate worms lol
quietheartedfsc: so far, no…no lashing out…maybe they’re afraid of me..*G*
Anamatics: I loved Chris fuck the haters
KDWilliamson: lol nothing wrong with a little fear
KDWilliamson: I had a Bob the douchebag club with Scarlet Letter
quietheartedfsc: Carolina grrls is fearsome
KDWilliamson: we are QH
quietheartedfsc: so what’s your personal fav stories in this fandom?
quietheartedfsc: rec a little for the group
crackinois: Mine are snuff’s Untitled, Interference, and Anamatics’ Gentleman’s Dilemma
KDWilliamson: I don’t get to read like I used to but I really really like Dianaprince89 fics
KDWilliamson: love snuff as well her first fic is my all time fav
Anamatics: I like Snuff’s stuff, When Maura Isles Made it Rain
crackinois: yeah def that fic by Harper_m
Anamatics: and also crack fic (I’m trying to finish up my HP Crossover, I did a Mario Bros fic as well)
keeylyme: Jealousy and then Interference by Snuff are 2 of my faves
sunsetwriter: When Maura Isles Made it Rain by harper_m
KDWilliamson: ooo I haven’t read that one by Harper didn’t know about it gotta get on that
Anamatics: it’s on ao3
tuesfork: I’m saving the Rizz fic for when the A/O well is dry
quietheartedfsc: so what would be your ultimate crossover with R&I?
Kaqlittle: I like the fic where they have super powers
Gin Akasarahsmom: Bones! I totally want Dr. Maura Isles to meet Dr. Temperance Brennan
crackinois: I’m thinking about writing a RI/Lost Girl crossover, Rizzles meets Doccubus
Anamatics: I know it sounds crazy and there’s no lesbians in Leverage, but they both take place in Boston and I think that the plot could be amazing.
KDWilliamson: I like your idea crackinosis
Anamatics: Sophie + Maura + Shoes
tuesfork: Then it’s probably not crazy
Ravenfairy00: Law&Order SVU alex/olivia
KDWilliamson: I do love the whole Addison addition to any fic tho lol
the_dhamphir: oh, i don’t think Sophie would be opposed to playing with both sides of fence
KDWilliamson: Maybe Criminal Minds
Anamatics: nah, Sophie is hung up on Nate hard core, however. For a con, I’d say yes, but I certainly won’t be having her try and con Maura (it’d be far too easy)
psychotic-cat17: I can’t do crossovers, they mess with my OTP
tuesfork: I’m like a fic toddler……all seperate.
KDWilliamson: If its well done I’d read anything
tuesfork: no gravy touching the green beans
Anamatics: I don’t particularly like crossovers or AUs (and yet they’re all I seem to write)
crackinois: I think with a crossover one show has to be dominant and the other subordinate or it can be a total character clusterfuck
KDWilliamson: such as the humor from R and I mixed with the seriousness of Criminal Minds or SVU
slave2free: If Sylvia hadn’t died it would have been fun to see Jane and Maura interact with their counterparts from LHDP Sylvia and Pepa.
Anamatics: I agree. I read this awesome SG1/WH13 fic where the Warehouse crew was secondary and it was amazing.
Gin Akasarahsmom: sigh… I hated LHDP for doing that… it sucked SO bad
crackinois: I guess my Tribute, HG/RI AU is a crossover b/c I use HG characters but not Katniss and Peeta and I keep the others secondary
KDWilliamson: That story is on my list to read I can’t wait!
crackinois: I’m told everyone should have tissues at the ready lol
Anamatics: Crossovers are hard because getting the balanace right is hard. If you’re just borrowing a universe than it’s fine, but to put say, Harry Potter and Jane Rizzoli in the same room takes a lot of skill
tuesfork: Slave’s idea sounds great, it could still be written…the magic of fiction
crackinois: I get lots of "fuck yous" in the reviews and asking for tissues
KDWilliamson: I agree a lot
Anamatics: Does anyone have any badfic rec?
crackinois: hahaha oh no you didn’t
quietheartedfsc: lol…now that would be mean
quietheartedfsc: otak, you ahve a question?
Kaqlittle: it could work but u have to pick a universe and make the characters fit in
Otakugamer01: i’m a romantic at heart i love my OTP’s and don’t like extra people horning in on their relationship, how do you guys feel about fics where there are three people in the relationship?
Stacicle: slave2free, an R&I/LHDP crossover would have been a hoot, if done right.
Kaqlittle: sometimes it works and sometimes not so much
crackinois: lol don’t read my Jealousy fic then, on the show they’re not together, so it’s perfect for introducing other people into the mix, it all depends on how it’s done and resolved
KDWilliamson: I think it adds good drama and makes things mroe realistic
Ravenfairy00: It would depend on the the 3some. and how they all interact together.
quietheartedfsc: to me polyarmory is a lot like crossovers…you have to have a really, really, really plausible reason for it to work.
KDWilliamson: sometimes its a catalyst
crackinois: I like both the tension of other love interests in some instances, and using the secondary characters from the show to more fully develop a story
Anamatics: Like a threesome? that’s really not my speed. I can handle Jane/Maura being casual fuckbuddies but I can’t imagine that they’d have sex, with say, Dean or Casey hanging out and providing a penis
crackinois: yeah I was not talking about a threesome lol
KDWilliamson: lol me either
Anamatics: I was responsing to the actual question
Anamatics: sorry guys!
crackinois: I don’t really, characterwise, see Jane being interested in a threesome at all
Otakugamer01: sorry should have clarified, poly..whatever relationship
Anamatics: yeah, she’s more than enough for Maura
KDWilliamson: no I don’t see Jane doing that
quietheartedfsc: I could see Maura doing it before Jane….
KDWilliamson: me too!
crackinois: ah, yeah I misunderstood lol I wouldn’t tackle a threesome I don’t think, it’s not in character for Jane IMO, I can see Maura being game
tuesfork: I can see Jane’s nose wrinkle now….
psychotic-cat17: I don’t mind a little love triangle to add some conflict, but if things move to include sex, I’m pretty much of the belief that three’s a crowd
quietheartedfsc: and a loud "Gross!!"
AlexReading: seriously, Maura will try anything once.
quietheartedfsc: twice if she likes it
Ravenfairy00: or twice.
Anamatics: Maura’s game for whips
Anamatics: she’s game for anything
Ravenfairy00: and leather
KDWilliamson: yeah but she knows Jane extremely well so she knows she wouldn’t be game
sunsetwriter: the whips and leather are actually canon now!
Anamatics: I would agree with that
quietheartedfsc: it would be funny watching her try to talk Jane into it though
alezabee: Poor Maura looked so sad when Jane walked out during her whips and leather talk
KDWilliamson: lol yes it would be
KDWilliamson: I can imagine the look on Jane’s face
sunsetwriter: I would love to have seen Jane’s face!
KDWilliamson: and the Really? Really?!
AlexReading: no talking needed, just lots of pouting …
Anamatics: maybe I should follow up my piercing fic with bondage stuff
quietheartedfsc: as maura drones on about anthropological and pshycholigcal studies
KDWilliamson: or a nice tattoo fic
quietheartedfsc: Maura would have to do a lot of talking on that one too
quietheartedfsc: what’s the wildest thing you think Maura could talk Jane into?
crackinois: I love how now we’re on to the kink fic lol
KDWilliamson: well you had to know it was going there lol
Anamatics: I know
quietheartedfsc: sgr, you had a question?
crackinois: well, I know we’ve all written it so
Anamatics: I think that we’re underestimating how kinky Jane is
KDWilliamson: do tell
Anamatics: Jane’s all about control
sunsetwriter: I think Jane would do just about anything for Maura
sunsetwriter: but only for Maura
KDWilliamson: quantify that anything
quietheartedfsc: I think Maura would have to provide a lot of incentive for some things though….like the running suits
crackinois: well I’ve written anal, some serious strap on action, and tie-up with some very brief breath play
sunsetwriter: give her a kidney?
KDWilliamson: Well there just isn’t enough strap on fics out there lol
Anamatics: dude that’s all I write
quietheartedfsc: then we need to clone you Anamatics
Anamatics: no the world couldn’t handle more than one of me
crackinois: it’s true, she’s pretty cray, I’ve met her in real life
sunsetwriter: try aolurker’s R&I fics
KDWilliamson: Oh I’ve read hers
crackinois: yeah, love her smut
KDWilliamson: lol yep more vowels and constanants
KDWilliamson: I do love the humor and the sweet fics too
tuesfork: She could write how to books
quietheartedfsc: Give that most femslash is written to get a couple together, do you think it would kill things if it actually happened on the show?
tuesfork: Not right away, depends on the writers
crackinois: I personally don’t think it would, if them getting together was a process
KDWilliamson: I agree
quietheartedfsc: so many shows that are based on that dynamic lose ratings once it happens.
Anamatics: I think that if it was handled well (it wouldn’t be – ratings grab all the way) it’d be amazing and ground-breaking.
crackinois: if they were canon….people would still write AUs and rewrite eps and all of that, so I don’t think the fic would die
KDWilliamson: It has to be done really well and maintained
Anamatics: R&I is the sort of show that’d have them make out and then not talk about it during sweeps week
sunsetwriter: Since there is no other show like that (with 2 women), not really, but the will they/won’t they is a big draw for a lot of folks
alezabee: I think that, while it happens in a lot of shows, it’s because the show puts a lot of it’s energy into the will-they-won’t-they
Stacicle: Good point, Anamatics.
crackinois: well the will they won’t they has all but been demolished this season
alezabee: but there are interesting stories that they could do with them together
KDWilliamson: agree with crackinois
sunsetwriter: I think the writers are gonna kill it before that anyway if they keep going like they are
crackinois: I think the show is really trying to go friend route, they’re just not even doing friends very well
KDWilliamson: no they are not
Gin Akasarahsmom: It’s sad when the writers don’t know what to do with the characters
quietheartedfsc: is it just a case of the writers not having found the character’s voices yet?
KDWilliamson: i think they are trying to appeal to everyone
Anamatics: I think the fault is with the showrunners.
crackinois: add in the lack of character consistency and poor continuity
Anamatics: also bad crime plots.
sunsetwriter: agree KD
alezabee: they seemed to have them down well in season 1
Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s a case of the writers trying to CHANGE the character’s voices and doing a piss poor job of it
crackinois: I think a lot of it is too many writers hence the lack of consistency
KDWilliamson: really bad crime plots
Anamatics: terrible crime plots
crackinois: look at a show like the X-Files, Chris Carter wrote or co-wrote every single episode of the series except for 1
sunsetwriter: season 1 happened without any feedback from viewers
Stacicle: forgettable crime plots
Gin Akasarahsmom: they should let the characters be themselves and they’d do a lot better
quietheartedfsc: do the crime plots seem like rehases of other shows?
Anamatics: or the west wing
Anamatics: fantastic until Sorkin left
KDWilliamson: I dug the whole hoyt angle
slave2free: Yes, too many writers with very different perspectives
crackinois: the crime plots are definitely regurge from other shows
Anamatics: Hoyt was unique – definately unique as it’s in the books
crackinois: they’ve ripped off LAO, Bones, Criminal Minds and I know there are others
KDWilliamson: yeah but the tension he created was good
sunsetwriter: when they started writing in the lesbian ‘subtext’, it lost its charm
Stacicle: Seems like the Hoyt story/connection was the only one that had any meat or depth to it.
tuesfork: maybe no chemistry between the writers???
KDWilliamson: culd be tuesfork
crackinois: I also think there’s a laziness to the writing, as evidenced by the poor research for so many eps
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yeah.. they ended the Hoyt thing too soon
Anamatics: It really isn’t htat hard to google shit
Kaqlittle: have the writes really strayed far from the book?
tuesfork: writers are looking to make the big time too
KDWilliamson: I think they are now lasping into formula writing
Gin Akasarahsmom: I haven’t read the books
Anamatics: The books are very different
crackinois: their names and Hoyt are from the books, my understanding is, that’s about it
sunsetwriter: True. I google for fan fic why can they google for real scripts??
Anamatics: Dean, for one, is likable
tuesfork: They need to hire a few of you guys
alezabee: I’ve heard the books have basically no subtext
Gin Akasarahsmom: I think after a certain amount of episodes.. when they get writers that have written for TV fairly often… they fall into a formula
Stacicle: I mean, what was the nonsense Maura was spewing about right hand/left hand injections this last ep???
crackinois: even Maura’s bio mom is totally different from the books
sunsetwriter: Completely different from the books.
KDWilliamson: agree Gin
Gin Akasarahsmom: and formula just doesn’t work now… they need to change it
alezabee: the injection thing was totally wrong!
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl!!
KDWilliamson: freshness is the key
quietheartedfsc: I get the impression they don’t always know what to do with Maura.
Stacicle: Maura, the genius, the expert, the knower of random, obscure, totally tangential information… gets that wrong? Please.
quietheartedfsc: like they can’t write to her level of IQ
sunsetwriter: I would really love to know Tess G’s honest opinion of the show
alezabee: Maura’s character is completely differently week to week
crackinois: They’ve nearly ruined Maura IMO from s1 to now
KDWilliamson: Ooo ooh I agree totally QH
crackinois: she’s the least consistent character on the show
AlexReading: I really don;t want to know what TessG thinks of the show.
Anamatics: i would agree as well.
KDWilliamson: its sad
Gin Akasarahsmom: character assassination
alezabee: wasn’t she supposed to be awkward? Now she’s rebellious, sometimes artsy. She’s really not socially awkward at all
Gin Akasarahsmom: just like they did with Tempe on Bones…
crackinois: she’s really not awkward, and she lies now
Anamatics: Tempe is maura
Anamatics: because JTAM
KDWilliamson: yes that’s the impression I got she was awkrard socially etc
sunsetwriter: She’s awkward for comedy, but not consistently
crackinois: well JTam wrote for Bones so there you go
Gin Akasarahsmom: I know… that’s why I want them to meet
Stacicle: That must make it hard for Sasha A to play her, being thrown these ‘different’ Mauras every other week
Anamatics: was involved with both shows
Gin Akasarahsmom: but Bones sucks now… it’s totally horrible to watch
quietheartedfsc: Sasha does a great job with what they give her though.
sunsetwriter: and Tempe is TOTALLY different from Reich’s books too
crackinois: I honestly think, after SAsha won that WIN award for S1 they turned her into a sidekick on purpose
the_dhamphir: tempe is different from tv tempe this last season
Gin Akasarahsmom: Sasha does an excellent job with what they give her
KDWilliamson: they go with what they think works and what has gottne them the most ratings
crackinois: to try and propel Jane/Angie as Lead actress and Maura/Sasha as supporting
sunsetwriter: I gave up on Bones a while back
Anamatics: They should be sharing the spotlight
KDWilliamson: yes there needs to be sharing
Anamatics: because it’s Rizzoli and Isles not The Rizzoli show with occasional Isles
quietheartedfsc: Is it going to squew anyone’s world if I allude to the trailers for next week?
alezabee: Yeah, did you guys see those billboards a year or two ago that had just Angie on them, no Sasha?
Stacicle: Yes, Sasha is great, and you can sort of piece together a Maura growth curve through the seasons, but it still doesn’t excuse the inconsistency of the character.
crackinois: S2 introduced Maura as a complete charicature, terrible comedy for the slapstick lolz and reversals on core components of her character
KDWilliamson: no not me
sunsetwriter: go for it, qh
quietheartedfsc: have you seen the trailers for next week? Since when does Jane do helpless terror?
Stacicle: what about the previews?
alezabee: I think I saw one in NYC. It’s pretty dumb for them to bill it as a friendship show and then make one of the friends supporting
KDWilliamson: I haven’t seen them but already that doesn’t sound right
crackinois: omg I called that trailer Angie’s "This is me ACTING" face
Anamatics: I haven’t seen it, just caps
alezabee: it’s true
Stacicle: I haven’t seen it
Anamatics: but that definately is a ‘this is me acting’ face if I ever saw one
KDWilliamson: The way I figure it they will have to shake up things or it won’t last past 5 seasons
crackinois: I’ve put on a more terrified face when I realized I was down to one beer in the fridge
quietheartedfsc: It’s almost like they’re trying to have a subtext moment and have lost the touch…it’s very ."Hey, we’re having subtext here!!!"
Stacicle: And on the friendship balance, I don’t think it’s fair to focus on just Rizzoli. I think AH’s Rizzoli has gotten a little lazy this season
KDWilliamson: but I’m tired of the mocking subtext tho
darandkerry_1: Been away for quite a while, but jumping in anyway: One of the many things that has turned me off this season is the poorly timed <and usually in very bad taste> joke Jane throws in before almost every commercial break. What happened to all those well-timed smart assed remarks she used to make?
sunsetwriter: Yes, when it’s intentional it doesn’t work
crackinois: yes the Giovanni fake relationship thing in S2, I found insulting
KDWilliamson: very insulting
alezabee: they seem to be going between wink-wink-nudge-nudge to the femslash audience but "no homo" to the other audience members
Anamatics: I like Giovanni
KDWilliamson: Dar bravo
Anamatics: he’s the fandom in a dude
KDWilliamson: I agree totally she had some awesome wisecracks
Anamatics: Jane isn’t nearly as snarky as she was
quietheartedfsc: the writing has gotten very lazy
crackinois: oh I like Giovanni, but I thought the schtick of pretending to be a couple in the garage was insulting
KDWilliamson: it was like ha ha
Anamatics: yeah that was pretty ad
KDWilliamson: see we can do maintext
Stacicle: Yes, QH, the writing has gotten lazy, and then it follows to the characters
KDWilliamson: u should be satisfied with this
Stacicle: AH – I’ve seen her acting this season.. ‘oh, here I raise an eyebrow, here I slow walk to my desk, here I sigh’
sunsetwriter: they seem to be throwing the lesbian audience a bone, when all we really need is the two main characters being themselves
KDWilliamson: lol Stacide
quietheartedfsc: Angie may inspire an automatic les following, but it doesn’t follow that it’s automatically gonna carry this show if it sucks.
Stacicle: I thought some of the best, understated acting happened around the dinner table last episode
Anamatics: do you think she’s mailing it in at this point?
quietheartedfsc: I don’t think she’s getting that close…lol
Stacicle: A littel bit, Anamatics
tuesfork: Maybe she doesn’t like the writers either
sunsetwriter: In some interviews she seems a little less than happy with some of the writing (but she tries to disguise it)
Stacicle: The actresses must realize the roller coaster they’ve been on
crackinois: I think Sasha is giving up more than Angie, I mean, she by far gets the worst writing and she’s done better work
KDWilliamson: i remember what they did with Xena and Missy Good it would be nice if they would give some of us a chance
crackinois: JTam’s ego is too big for that lol
Stacicle: TNT won’t go down that road, I’m afraid
KDWilliamson: lol i know but we can dream right!
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
KDWilliamson: Its hilarious TNT’s thing is we know drama
quietheartedfsc: no offense to anyone but it reminds me of straight guys making girl on girl porn….totally not getting it…but still trying to sell it.
KDWilliamson: R and I is not drama
tuesfork: Broadcast TV…a two edged sword for fan fic writers
crackinois: Dramedy if anything
Anamatics: The only drama is the between JTam and the fandom at large
Stacicle: Sasha’s got a lot to do just being ‘Maura -of-the-week’; I think Angie is feeling the formula of it
KDWilliamson: yeah exactly
KDWilliamson: because the crime edge isn’t there
sunsetwriter: I think that’s part of the problem – is it drama or comedy? Pick one and go with it
KDWilliamson: there is no tension there is no victim to care for
Gin Akasarahsmom: the crimes have always been fairly comical… even Castle has better crime stories
alezabee: Personally, I think it works best as a comedy.
crackinois: I think it would be hilarious if someone from TNT was in here right now
darandkerry_1: Right now it’s a very poor dramedy.
Jaely: I think it’s more a comedy that happens to have dramatic moments….
Gin Akasarahsmom: I hope they are… maybe they’ll fix things
crackinois: I think it could work as a drama, but they would need to regain the feel of the Pilot ep
KDWilliamson: oh god and that music
Stacicle: I t would be a good education for them, crack
sunsetwriter: I wish they were, crackinois
quietheartedfsc: it all smacks of trying too hard
slave2free: Crime stories don’t matter if the characters interact authentically with one another. Who remembers the crime stories from Cagney and Lacy? I’m just saying.
KDWilliamson: agree they really need to revisit what worked in S1
Stacicle: yes, the show can work as a drama, we’ve seen it. Few things gave me the chills Maura did facing down Hoyt on Jane’s behalf
crackinois: Well, the show we can’t change, but the fic is our world….anymore questions on that?
KDWilliamson: hmm u do have a point but they built it up that way
Anamatics: I did enjoy the episode in s2 with hoyt
sunsetwriter: yes, stacicle!
Anamatics: up until the birthday party
Stacicle: Very good point, slave2free (Hi btw)
slave2free: Hi Stacicle. I like the show as a drama, but I like the comedy fiction.
quietheartedfsc: If you could turn on next weeks episode and see one of the fanfics presented instead…whihc would you choose?
KDWilliamson: Agree the show can’t change but we can write it the way we want
Stacicle: birthday party?
sunsetwriter: The my pretty pony party for Jane’s birthday
KDWilliamson: lol one of lil miss’ strap on fics
Stacicle: oh *that* ehhhh
crackinois: well KD that would require a move to Starz or HBO lol
KDWilliamson: lol I’m okay with that
Gin Akasarahsmom: Cinemax late night
Stacicle: thanks Anamatics
quietheartedfsc: fade to black!
KDWilliamson: lets see a show of hands
Anamatics: of what?
Stacicle: Hey, they’ve canceled Sparacus, there’s room on the schedule!
crackinois: That’s another R&I AU I’m going to write…Spartacus universe lol
KDWilliamson: thats a good question tho what fic would yall like to see represented
KDWilliamson: I’m not sure
sunsetwriter: The Real LLBFF – new on showtime!
KDWilliamson: lol I would so read that
Anamatics: idk how it’d work
KDWilliamson: Hey they have the Real L word
Anamatics: but I’d rad it
crackinois: I think there are elements from different fics that could work on the show
crackinois: take snuff’s crime plots lol
KDWilliamson: do tell
KDWilliamson: yeah i can see that
crackinois: I’d love to see Maura in a relationship with a women, even if not Jane
KDWilliamson: make it a lot more gritty
KDWilliamson: me too
sunsetwriter: I’d like to Jane’s reaction to that crackinois
KDWilliamson: didn’t think about that angle
quietheartedfsc: well, y’all mentioned having a fanfic writer do the show….so what writing team would you put together?
Anamatics: bonus of Maura’s new GF is Jaime Murray
KDWilliamson: oooooooooooo thud
crackinois: but actually give her relationship with a woman some depth, not this throw away crap like they do with the CoTW
sunsetwriter: Nice Anamatics!
Anamatics: it was Jenna’s idea
Jaely: I think Jane would get jealous if that were to happen crackinois… which would be fun
KDWilliamson: I think I would like to see someone who has a handle on good humor,
crackinois: hahaha, though when I wrote Jealousy, I pictured a redheaded Katee Sackhoff in the Chris Kelly role with maura lol
Stacicle: Or even, because of the story of the week, have a women Maura was once involved with show up, have to meet Jane, etc.
KDWilliamson: good dialogue, romance etc
Gin Akasarahsmom: I do think it’s interesting that Jane gets romantic male interests… but when Maura dates Jane gets all jealous like
KDWilliamson: oh I like that Stacicle
Anamatics: Jealous Maura’d be fun too
sunsetwriter: Me too
tuesfork: same here
Stacicle: kudos to Jenna then… Jaime Murray, she pulls off smart and sexy very well, a good match for Maura
KDWilliamson: let see Jane suprised
KDWilliamson: and Jamie Murray would totally be comfy with it as an actress
Anamatics: thing is
Anamatics: this could never happen
slave2free: Stacicle: Jaime Murray with Maura. Oh, that would ease the pain of missing H.G. Wells
KDWilliamson: sigh HG
Stacicle: thanks KD
Anamatics: because it’d mean that HG’d be dead
KDWilliamson: yes I know Anamatics
Anamatics: cannot. deal. with. that.
alezabee: I agree. No dead HG
KDWilliamson: it will be on in a week or so
KDWilliamson: but I digress
Gin Akasarahsmom: meh… people can play two characters on two different shows… no problem
Stacicle: no, no, I’m talking about one episode, then let the repercussions fall where they may.
KDWilliamson: ohh kinda like a rebound effect
sunsetwriter: She could have time to do a guest spot and still not be dead
KDWilliamson: I like that
Stacicle: Jaime’s got Defiance and Warehouse 13 to juggle (I hope)
KDWilliamson: stir the pot
KDWilliamson: Now see that would totally fit in Maura’s character the one from S1 at least
Anamatics: ooo that’s a good idea
Stacicle: Crackinois, a few posts back, you mentioned ‘depth of the relationship’ with this ‘other woman’…
Stacicle: It’s too bad that TPTB so often squander any depth they bring to a story
Stacicle: Like you all were pointing out with the ill-timed birthday party
quietheartedfsc: Maura’s gotten very good at intense relationships between commercials
crackinois: I agree, I wrote about this RE CAsey on tumblr….how am I supposed to buy Jane being in love with him when we haven’t seen any relationship develop
darandkerry_1: *Wonders if any series has had a Virtual Season written while still on the air*
KDWilliamson: oh i agree!
crackinois: So, if they did bring in a woman as a relationship for Maura, I’d like them to actually show the development of it
sunsetwriter: And again last week when Maura went from crying to joking in 1 second flat
KDWilliamson: Then why would she do what she did with dean
KDWilliamson: doens’t make sense
slave2free: daraandkerry: Great idea.
Stacicle: Right, it’s juvenile, ‘oh, I like him’… based on what? Childhood?
crackinois: so that it’s not only believable for her but also serves as an interesting point of tension with Jane
KDWilliamson: yes it would
Stacicle: right KD
quietheartedfsc: they tend to bring in backstory without explaining the backstory
KDWilliamson: a catalyst
Anamatics: that could be really interesting
KDWilliamson: maybe if we just send JTam a strongly worded letter lol
Stacicle: yes, crackinois, although having it be a past relationship speeds up the process for Jane and Maura getting together
quietheartedfsc: do you want to speed up the process?
KDWilliamson: god no
crackinois: see, I don’t like past love interest b/c I actually like the idea of present tension of grappling with a current relationship, a current relationship is where the tension comes from
sunsetwriter: Anyone going to Rizzlescon?
KDWilliamson: i would want to see every excruciating moment of it
Stacicle: No, QH, I guess I just want it (the subtext) back
crackinois: I’ll be at RizzlesCon on the fanfic panel so…lol stop by and say hi if you’re going to be there
Anamatics: I will be in CA, but enjoying the Bay Area instead
Anamatics: sorry guys
sunsetwriter: Not going, but curious to hear how it goes
KDWilliamson: I’m curious as well
quietheartedfsc: It’s not on my Ralst approved list of things to do…lol
Stacicle: A con? Is it one day, a weekend?
Stacicle: Is the whole cast going to be there?
crackinois: I only bought the get me in the door ticket so, I’ll mostly be doing the fanfic panel and then drinking the rest of the weekend hahah
crackinois: it’s the whole weekend, most of the cast except Angie, JTam will be there, Tess G etc
KDWilliamson: oh take pictures and send updates
sunsetwriter: I saw yesterday where JT backed out
quietheartedfsc: I’m head minion of ralst’s plan for world femslash domination
crackinois: oh did she?
crackinois: hahah I hadn’t seen that…color me not surprised
Stacicle: See, that’s weird. No Angie, when it’s the Angie & Sasha show.
KDWilliamson: hmm interesint y did she back out
Gin Akasarahsmom: nice.. I know a lot of people who want to go… I think it’s weird that they’re having it in L.A. instead of Boston.. but that’s just me
crackinois: the location was so the actors could attend
crackinois: they film up until Friday and so their panel is on Saturday
sunsetwriter: Family obligations was what I read – no details
Anamatics: makes sense and seems considerate
crackinois: "Family obligations" aka LezboCon…no thank you lol
quietheartedfsc: family obligations? a desire not to get killed by fans?
Stacicle: QH, does that mean Ralst has you chained to your computer, typing up more and more fic? Because then it’s also Stacicle (statuepup)-approved.
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol.. I know.. but the show is set in Boston.
KDWilliamson: lol lezbo con
sunsetwriter: my thought, QH!
quietheartedfsc: fic is the one thing she hasn’t left time for…lol
quietheartedfsc: when con is over I have a promise of 2 full weeks of nothing but writing
KDWilliamson: u know its too bad Nikki and Nora didn’t make it
quietheartedfsc: that make ya feel better.
thebronzey: LezboCon sounds awesome
sunsetwriter: so true KD
KDWilliamson: that would have been our answer right there imo
Stacicle: QH-Yay! 2 weeks of writing, but I bet it’s Mirandy, right?
quietheartedfsc: not necessarily…whatever the muse gets interested in
Ravenfairy00: yeah mirandy
Stacicle: Ooooh, KD, now there’s a crossover – N&N/R&I!
KDWilliamson: Mmm hmm I was thinking that Stacicle
Stacicle: [Not a Whisper] – Facts of Life!
Stacicle: Did you hear that, Muse?
quietheartedfsc: sgr, you had a question?
shesgottaread: thx. you know I’ve barely seen the show, and recently been reading R&I fics, but is it canon that Bass eats lettuce, strawberries, etc?
Stacicle: KD, I will be scrutinizing the P&P and R&I LJs for your N&N/R&I crossover fic. (grin)
Ravenfairy00: british strawberries
shesgottaread: I often see it in fic, but my beta-ish research says that’s not good for tortoises, and the African wouldn’t hibernate much
slave2free: I’d like to see more "back history" in the RI fanfic. The show did an episode with a flashback to Maura meeting Jane when Jane was undercover as a prostitute, but very little information as to how such a strong bond formed between the two.
quietheartedfsc: yes, the last episode of the first season Maura is trying to tempt him to eat those.
crackinois: I think Maura has mentioned him eating several different things, but if you do a little research you’ll find what they’ve mentioned isn’t really appropriate
slave2free: stacicle: There is never enough fan fiction for you – is there?
sunsetwriter: figures – more of that great research
Gin Akasarahsmom: she was trying to get him to eat anything… because he was sick
Stacicle: No, slave2free, there really isn’t.
sunsetwriter: probably sick from eating strawberries & lettuce
shesgottaread: thanks for confirming what I’d found.
quietheartedfsc: BAss was in the lab when the bad guy took over…
KDWilliamson: I’m all with the background and seeing how they got so close
shesgottaread: yup, basically no nutritional value
Stacicle: And we haven’t seen Bass since he was sick, yes?
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah.. but I haven’t seen him this season at all
crackinois: lol yeah I did research on tortoise diet for an fic I never published (ahem anamatics) lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: not even mentioned
KDWilliamson: more inconsistencies
shesgottaread: ok, goes back to the rear of the auditorium
sumaulus: speaking of research, has anyone found anything about the name Cailin?
Anamatics: (ahem Crackinois I need to work on that as well)
crackinois: they did film Bass for some S2 stuff but cut the scenes
quietheartedfsc: they’re afraid of him taking over the show…he has the biggest fan club.
sunsetwriter: I think he’s very expensive to have on set
alezabee: Did they ever mention Jane’s turtle again?
darandkerry_1: I’d love to see a scene with Bass & Angela.
Stacicle: And slave2free, you are the Queen of Backstory. ;D
slave2free: Bass would have been a great adddition to the dinner party for Maura’s mom.
KDWilliamson: well hell he can’t just disappear like the baby did on STV
Anamatics: was it just me or did that kid not look sick at all??
sunsetwriter: lol – true slave2free!
crackinois: @slave I think the issue with doing more backstory in a non-AU fic is it’s hard b/c you never know when an ep might arise and blow your fic to hell
shesgottaread: not just you anamatics
crackinois: I suggested on twitter once they get a tortoise dummy and just have in random wide angle shots
crackinois: then they don’t need to pay for the live tortoise
quietheartedfsc: at least in STV they had a tag line about the baby being left with the other kids family
Stacicle: nice option, crackinois
quietheartedfsc: truly…it’s not like Bass sings and dances
KDWilliamson: yeah QH but if you blinked u missed it
sunsetwriter: Good idea – Bass stunt double
crackinois: I think Bass was a case of JTam going "Pet Tortoise! Edgy!" and then she got bored with it or forgot
Anamatics: that is a pretty good idea
Stacicle: But it’s these breaks in continuity and character that get me. No Bass, no little turtle, heck no Jo Friday most of the time
KDWilliamson: i know i think they feel like fans of the show will forget
quietheartedfsc: animal actors cost more than human ones
KDWilliamson: like these thigns are very minor
Stacicle: And Jane only rubs her palms when it’s pertinent to a case, which I guess it never will be again,a s Hoyt is dead
shesgottaread: but even if the animal isn’t on screen, a mention helps keep the continuity
KDWilliamson: i for one would have like to have seen how damaged Jane was by the whole Hoyt thing
slave2free: So, the producers are not only lazy, they are also stingy.
Stacicle: Right, I’m just asking for a "I have to go walk Jo Friday, then I’ll meet you…"
KDWilliamson: There was your drama right there
Gin Akasarahsmom: do they do anything with Jane’s hands anymore? she doesn’t rub them or anything… do they still put the scars on them?
crackinois: they occasionally put the scars on, the scars also change shape and size LOL
Anamatics: they’ve been there a few times that I’ve seen
crackinois: it’s like Ensign Ro’s mole from Star Trek TNG
shesgottaread: do producers not learn that fans *obsess* over the details? Haven’t they learned anything in the 40+ yeaars since ST?
sunsetwriter: It drives me nuts that Maura doesn’t have a massive scar on her leg from her compartment syndrome – that’s a serious thing AND she was cut open with a jagged piece of glass
KDWilliamson: oh oh I know what happened to the animals they are going to have a ep where they were kidnapped …since you know the whole crime angle is ludicrious
Stacicle: Right, that’s what I meant to bring up when I mentioned depth. How could they not give us something with Jane dealing with the end of Hoyt?
crackinois: lol well, JTam gave us a gift there…..she didn’t deal with Hoyt, so we got to in fic
Stacicle: Then again, we never got to see any fallout or followthrough when Jane shot herself either.
KDWilliamson: I know like I said that could have been awesome drama
slave2free: As if Hoyt’s death erased all of the trauma Jane suffered at his hands.
crackinois: the S2 leap forward was the worst thing the show ever did
Anamatics: apparently, it did
quietheartedfsc: too many bandaids
KDWilliamson: she’s all better now no physological effects
crackinois: you can’t have your main character nearly kill herself and then flashforward 4 months
crackinois: I think JTam realized that when she did S2 to S3 the way she did
crackinois: it was still done poorly
KDWilliamson: I think they tried to show her working through it because she was still in so much pain
KDWilliamson: no PTSD
KDWilliamson: from being shot
Anamatics: no that was a terrible way of writing to explain away why they didn’t show the aftermath
KDWilliamson: stabbed or kidnapped
KDWilliamson: uh huh
crackinois: At this point btw all of Maura’s resolution in the first 6 eps of S3, I don’t know where they go…I think the Hope storyline should ahve been drawn out for most of the season and Maura not have met her until S4
LZClotho: Who all is going to the RizzlesCon in Anaheim next weekend?
KDWilliamson: I agree because I am like what is the point of this
crackinois: but it’s typical of this show….eveverything resolved in 1 ep
Stacicle: They have shown them running or Maura attempting to get Jane to go running with her – maybe (squinting here) that’s Maura’s way of dealing with the leg injury and rehab?
Anamatics: I think they can still draw out the hope storyline, it’s just out in the open now
Gin Akasarahsmom: I think Hope should have known/figured out that Maura was her daughter and that was the reason she came back to Boston.. to coerce Maura into donating her kidney…
crackinois: @LZ I’ll be on the fanfic panel at the con
LZClotho: crack: cool!
darandkerry_1: Gin: I actually thought she had and was ‘playing’ Maura.
KDWilliamson: Yes Gin they should have figured it out
Gin Akasarahsmom: Me too Dar
darandkerry_1: Now THAT would have been drama.
LZClotho: I also think Hope figured it out.
crackinois: there were many ways to do it better than they did, but I still think with all of the Paddy Doyle drama at the beginning of S3, bringing Hope in was too soon
Anamatics: I think hope had the hots for Maura
Gin Akasarahsmom: it would have been a much better episode and much better way to hurt Maura actually… to make her nothing more than a spare parts bank
alezabee: For a genius doctor, Hope is pretty dense
Anamatics: and was suffering from insta squick
Anamatics: but that’s just me
Anamatics: so is Maura though
Anamatics: maybe it’s genetic
sunsetwriter: What happened to Paddy? Did he die?
Stacicle: Interesting Dar, kind of like having Hope get Maura and Cailin to meet, on the sly?
crackinois: Gin that’s a brilliant idea, someone write that AU fic lol
quietheartedfsc: Hope will be back…now that she’s all upset the kid changed her tune…did you see her face?
LZClotho: yep, Paddy’s dead. happened end of last season.
crackinois: I guess we’re supposed to believe that Doyle is in the pokey now
slave2free: I wonder how Hope will react when she finds out that Maura and Jane are a couple? So far her motherly instincts seem lacking.
KDWilliamson: no slave that would be interesting
alezabee: He was alive when he told Maura he would have killed Jane, so I guess he was arrested
KDWilliamson: for her to see the "subtext"
sunsetwriter: No, he survived (miraculously) the fall/gunshot, but he hasn’t been mentioned since the first or second ep
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… he was in the hospital and on his way to jail when we last saw him
crackinois: yeah Cavanaugh had the little throw away line "You get better so we can throw you in the clink"
alezabee: It would be interesting to see Hope reject Maura (for her relationship with Jane, especially) and see Constance accept her
sunsetwriter: I missed the on his way to jail part
Ravenfairy00: love constance
Stacicle: yeah, QH, Cailin was definitely pulling an "oh sh*t, what did I do?" face
crackinois: but Hope is in 1 more ep this season so as we know….everything will be fine and she and Maura will be mother/daughter and get their hair done and shit
alezabee: A lot of shows seem to be pretty mean to adoptive parents lately (like Once Upon a Time)
Stacicle: alezabee, ooooh, I could see that happening!
quietheartedfsc: they’ll bring it back for the last eps so Maura can do a miraculous recovery over the hiatus
sunsetwriter: lol crackinois
crackinois: I’d love to see Constance come back and be really hurt by Maura looking for Hope
KDWilliamson: that sound about right QH
crackinois: they gave a little bit of that in the hospital when Constance was all "You’re my daughter"
KDWilliamson: probably not going to happen tho crack
Gin Akasarahsmom: No.. maura told Hope flat out that she didn’t want or need anything from her.. because she already has a mother
crackinois: I’d like to see them explore that angle more, it would be so authentic
KDWilliamson: come on they don’t do authentic
Anamatics: which was dismissive in its own right to Hope’s trauma at losing her daughter
KDWilliamson: we do lol
quietheartedfsc: I’m not sure authentic is in the writers vocab
crackinois: I know, pipe dreams
crackinois: and PLEASE don’t have Maura do the stupid kidney donation
Stacicle: Did they actually have a resolution scene with Constance? I mean one that showed her healed up from her hit & run injuries?
crackinois: no they didn’t
slave2free: The authenticity will have to be revealed in fan fic.
crackinois: she was in the hospital for the premiere and then poof gone
KDWilliamson: yep just like BAss!
sunsetwriter: I guess she poofed with Paddy
quietheartedfsc: poof is the word for the show sometimes
quietheartedfsc: ah, but Bass will strike back!!
slave2free: femslash writers will do the whole mother/daughter/mother thing much better than TNT
KDWilliamson: I agree slave
Stacicle: very true, slave2free
sunsetwriter: looking forward to it slave
quietheartedfsc: *sigh* we have to save the world far too often
KDWilliamson: puts on cape
Ravenfairy00: yes but you all do it so well.
crackinois: dons beer hat
Stacicle: You know, The Closer was such a good crime drama on TNT, so I know they have the staff somewhere to do proper research, why don’t they?
slave2free: QH is my superhero
crackinois: the beer hat is my version of a superhero cape
KDWilliamson: or a cowl
quietheartedfsc: why, ty, slave….now that sounded all wrong..lol
crackinois: research doesn’t require budget, it just requires having the fucks to give
KDWilliamson: Caust Stacide they would have to pay
crackinois: sadly, R&I doesn’t seem to have them
Anamatics: no they wouldn’t
Anamatics: they could seriously just google
KDWilliamson: shakes head
KDWilliamson: so sad
Anamatics: for one thing: authentic southie accents
crackinois: it’s the difference between having the desire to put out a quality product and just putting out enough to get by and collect the check
Stacicle: Google is free
KDWilliamson: anybody in on that letter yet?
crackinois: If the Big Bang Theory can make sure its physics equations are accurate, JTam can google bloodtype genetics
crackinois: or make sure the reason a drug dog doesn’t hit on 1 million lbs of heroine is accurate
Stacicle: ehh the accents.. for me it’s like Kevin Costner in Robin Hood, plese just don’t even try. Focus on the plot and… ohhhhh, I get it now.
quietheartedfsc: google it, yes….understand it? Maybe not so much.
crackinois: or why a non-homicide would go to the Pd morgue instead of the hospital
crackinois: or…maybe I should just stop there
Anamatics: true true
darandkerry_1: I’m thinking that The Closer intimidated the hell out of them and they went for light-hearted. GUess they figured they didn’t have to be accurate on anything.
quietheartedfsc: it’s amazing that as much as we can find wrong with the show, we still love and write the fanfic…
KDWilliamson: u never know dar
crackinois: haha I know, this show is my Brokeback Mountain…I.Can’t.Quit.You
KDWilliamson: i kno but i think its because we want to fill in the holes
KDWilliamson: and make it what we know it should be
crackinois: actually I’m just shallow, I watch because Sasha is hot
Stacicle: The Closer was the beginning of the current TNT show juggernaut.
alezabee: haha I agree with crackinois
quietheartedfsc: what bugs me is not the errors, but that they don’t think we’re smart enough to notice them.
KDWilliamson: well she is
Anamatics: this is why I watch Glee
Anamatics: they’re all hot
Stacicle: That’s where great fanfic comes from, filling those plotholes
Ravenfairy00: sasha is super hot but angie’s husky voice is also a must
crackinois: I do think JTam is very dismissive of the intelligence of her fans
Anamatics: I think that JTam has an ego bigger than texas
alezabee: I think there’s some piece of the characters that we saw at the beginning, that have become the fandom versions of them, which comes out in the fic
sunsetwriter: Yeah, I pretty much watch for AH & SA!
KDWilliamson: well I think a lot of show runners think their viewers are stupid that is their downfall
crackinois: TNT knows where it’s awards shows are….The Closer and now Major Crimes, R&I is lighthearted numbers fare
quietheartedfsc: but really, does the rest of the world watch as closely as fanfic writers?
crackinois: JTam could have had more, but I think she squandered it
Gin Akasarahsmom: It’s such a disappointment when the powers that be look down on the fans… we’re the reason they are there
KDWilliamson: i think it is something they woull hopefully realize one day Gin
darandkerry_1: So, QH, you sending a copy of this chat to Tamaro???
slave2free: No QH, we are the only ones watching this show.
Gin Akasarahsmom: It doesn’t matter though.. if no one else realizes the mistakes… the problem is that they ARE mistakes.. and it shows that the people just don’t care about the quality of the show they are putting out
KDWilliamson: i wonder what the demographics are for the show anybody kno?
Stacicle: I think others watch, fanfic readers like myself included, but beyond the fic world, viewers probably just say, huh they made a mistake and move on
crackinois: I agree Gin
crackinois: the show skews old
Gin Akasarahsmom: every mistake we’ve listed could have been EASILY avoided with a tiny bit of research or…thought
darandkerry_1: Old? Who you calling old???
crackinois: it’s numbers in the 18-49 key demo this season are about a 1.0 which is the minimum to stay renewed
sunsetwriter: so true Gin
crackinois: lol dara
crackinois: just reporting the ratings facts
crackinois: I think that’s why they waited a few extra eps to renew for S4 this time, to see if they held the 1.0 in that demo
quietheartedfsc: well, to wrap up, I’d like to thank our panelists for being with us today.
sunsetwriter: it’s been fun, y’all
Anamatics: thanks guys
tuesfork: there’s a very large pile of story ideas in this thread…don’t hurt each other whilst picking them up
Stacicle: Thanks panelists!
darandkerry_1: Nice job, ladies.
Anamatics: been a blast!
quietheartedfsc: and all of you for making this a most enjoyable discussion.
KDWilliamson: it was fun thank you
shesgottaread: ty, everyone!
slave2free: Thanks superheros.
alezabee: it’s been great
crackinois: Thanks all, nice chatting with you all
tuesfork: Excellent and thanks
Stacicle: drunk!Maura just saying
sunsetwriter: drunk!Maura – where??
Stacicle: Sunset – a fic idea I hope someone will run with.