Crime

the_dhamphir: Well, to get things started for the Crime panel…

Shatterpath: Dude, you just explained half of us and we’re a bunch of sexy bitches!

the_dhamphir: I’m Dhamphir and I’ve written a lot stories for Dana Scully in the X-Files. I’m also a fan of just about every crime precedural on right now.

Shatterpath: ariestess is once more having computer drama. She’ll be here soon

quietheartedfsc: ty doggie

geekgrrllurking: Is this where the law and order "Dum…dum…dum" comes in?

synergyfox: So much computer drama.

the_dhamphir: I also happen to have several years as a financial crime/fraud investigator in my background.

Shatterpath: Ariestess has written in a variety of fandoms. all three CSIs, SVU, R&I, CM, etc

Jaely: cool!

quietheartedfsc: I’m QH and I’ve written Rizzoli & Isles and a bit of SVU crossovers

geekgrrllurking: You’re really a spook, aren’t ya D

Shatterpath: I will be the translator for Ariestess, just in case anyone missed that

the_dhamphir: Oh, I’ve also written for CSI Miami, but as xovers.

quietheartedfsc: doggie, make your font red please so we can see it

Shatterpath: k

the_dhamphir: So what makes the women with badges so inticing to write about?

the_dhamphir: QH?

Jaely: they are sexy badasses?

quietheartedfsc: ya got a love a woman with a gun

Shatterpath: Ok, I am now Ariestess for now

geekgrrllurking: guns and swagger every time

Shatterpath: We were reminicing how sexy Sofia Curtis’ swagger was

Shatterpath: brainshare!

quietheartedfsc: they do that whole dominant female thing so well

the_dhamphir: yes. that woman definitely has swagger!

Shatterpath: we commented that Emma from OUaT resembles said Curtis swagger

geekgrrllurking: Ooh, she does too…

the_dhamphir: So it’s because they’re strong characters, QH?

Otakugamer01: power and protection….

quietheartedfsc: I think TPTB are less afraid of women being strong if they carry a gun

Shatterpath: good points

the_dhamphir: That’s an intersting point.

Jaely: I don’t know I like the mix of swagger and human faults they are strong women but they are so flawed it makes them so interesting to read write and watch.

Shatterpath: agreed

the_dhamphir: agreed.

Shatterpath: though stupoid American TV does go the cliche route too much

geekgrrllurking: I think the gruff tough exterior often comes with a soft side that few get to see

the_dhamphir: what I like best about writing Scully, is exploring who she is inside, getting behind the cop persona

Jaely: I agree dhamphir

Shatterpath: ok, back to boring ole me

ariestess: TY! *glares at Dormouse* Nervous breakdowns are for MONDAY, missy.

geekgrrllurking: you yes, boring? Never, Doggie

Jaely: *patsn Shatter on the shoulder* we love you just as you are dear

Shatterpath: flatterer

Shatterpath: gonna tell Miss Jo yer flirtin’

geekgrrllurking: Lol!

ariestess: For those that don’t know [and were maybe worried I was talking about htem], Dormouse is my computer.

Shatterpath: I never get enough time to yammer at you, dangit

the_dhamphir: Tell us why you like writing women with badges, aj

nate555_1_1: Hi

ariestess: Because they can frisk me.

Jaely: LOL

ariestess: Wait! Inside thought, inside thought, inside thougth.

Shatterpath: LOL

geekgrrllurking: Lol!

bearblue: lol

the_dhamphir: LOL

Shatterpath: who doesn’t love a woman warrior?

ariestess: I couldn’t help myself…

quietheartedfsc: *wearing my cop hat*

bearblue: handcuffs have notjing to do with it…

ariestess: No, I like writing women with badges because they represent a kind of power that we don’t see a lot in television and movies.

the_dhamphir: heh, not at all, bb

the_dhamphir: *W*

Shatterpath: those of us with depth would rather be able to take care of ourselves than wait for ‘Prince Charming’

HeyPaal: any chance someone can explain to me what this room’s special for?

ariestess: Especially television. And we’re finally starting to see some women with "power" that aren’t uptight bitches.

Shatterpath: little by little

Jaely: completely agree

geekgrrllurking: wow two for two, you go mod cops!

ariestess: LOL!

quietheartedfsc: we be bad

the_dhamphir: especially together!

Jaely: lol

geekgrrllurking: Ok, eye wash stations, eye wash stations…

ariestess: lmao!

quietheartedfsc: actually, I’m one up on you, D…I bounced that first one from the other room too…lol

Jaely: are we just asking questiosn or do we need to raise our hands again?

the_dhamphir: So what show first got you interested in writing fanfic for a crime show? Which cop first caught your eye?

quietheartedfsc: just ask Jaely…it’s a smaller crownd

ariestess: So can we bounch the other one from the other room?

Jaely: cool

ariestess: bounch = bounce with an accent

ariestess: Or he could just leave before we can.

geekgrrllurking: how european of you AJ, lol

quietheartedfsc: not as long as they’re quiet, aj

ariestess: k

ariestess: *scuffs floor with toe*

quietheartedfsc: lol

quietheartedfsc: I actually came at writing crime shows from teh back door

geekgrrllurking: I was drawn to CSI (vegas) and then SVU but I rarely write those fandoms. I enjoy reading them more.

quietheartedfsc: I was writing FOL fic and Jo was a cop by then…soooooo

the_dhamphir: *S*

Shatterpath: I had love affiarswith them too, G

ariestess: I actually used to write 21 Jumpstreet fic, but not femslash. And that was AGES ago… and we don’t talk about that anymore.

geekgrrllurking: Lol, it sounds like a dirty secret AJ

the_dhamphir: The first fic I wrote for a crime show was SVU… not that any of it will see the light day. lol

quietheartedfsc: My first posted fic was FOL/SVU crossover ficlets

ariestess: @geek :: It involves my first ex-gf [the pathological liar in the closet] and hetsmut. Nuff said.

Jaely: How do you all handle the crime element in your stories or do you just scim over it?

Shatterpath: Xena. So long ago that the fics are lost to teh ether. Bummer

ariestess: I tend to skim over it.

geekgrrllurking: @aj nuff said exactly! Yikes

ariestess: Oh! And Im forgetting my favorite woman in uniform!

the_dhamphir: Actually, for my Scully series Weak in the Knees, I put a lot of research into it.

ariestess: *glares at Doggie and wonders if someone is bitching in the back of HER skull too*

quietheartedfsc: I seldom write the actual crime…I tend to more write the interpersonal relationships

the_dhamphir: I talked to a friend who’s a cop, and even with a LCSW to make sure I got certain things about my villian right.

ariestess: Did anyone else here write Division fic?

ariestess: Besides me and Shatterpath?

geekgrrllurking: Is forensics more important in crime fics now do you think? And how do you handle that?

Shatterpath: Poor, neglected CD and Jinny…

alannasky: cool dhamp

ariestess: And no, I rarely write the crimes.

quietheartedfsc: The shows have obviously moved that way

Jaely: oh good question geek I’ve wondered about that myself

the_dhamphir: For the most part I don’t get too deep into the crimes. But when I do, I try to make it as plausible as possible

ariestess: If I’m going to write anythng of a procedural nature, I’d rather write the forensics.

Shatterpath: In the long run the characters are far more interesting than the cases

geekgrrllurking: do you think that because we are more romance based fic writers that the crime element takes a back seat?

quietheartedfsc: it takes a lot of research to write the forensics

ariestess: @Geek :: I totally think thta’s part of it.

quietheartedfsc: Geek, definitely

the_dhamphir: in general, yes, geek.

the_dhamphir: And I hate it when a story does go into the crime element but doesn’t get it right

ariestess: *nods*

Shatterpath: well, i don’t think it’s the forensics/proceedures that make us love a show enough to write it

quietheartedfsc: I tend to avoid writing anything I don’t have the time to research properly

Jaely: I personally like the nit and grit of a well written crime plot but I have not really seen that many that keep my attention.

the_dhamphir: no, shatter, it’s the characters. but when someone does go into it, research is their friend.

ariestess: Then again, I also have issues when stories have the cops/CSIs/whatever getting their swerve on at the crime scene.

Shatterpath: I research to DEATH

Shatterpath: hours and hours and hours of the stuff

ariestess: I can attest to Shatterpath’s obsessive research

bearblue:

alannasky: awesome

Jaely: well that explains why I love Shatter’s stories so much

the_dhamphir: I agree aj. Cops getting it on while at a crime scene is a backbuttoner for me

Shatterpath: there’s a reason i’m not fast

ariestess: I’m not sure which is worse: cops or CSIs getting it on at teh scene.

ariestess: Actually, no, it’s the CSIs, who KNOW that compromising the scene can kill the case.

the_dhamphir: one in the same for me aj

ariestess: @D :: Good point.

quietheartedfsc: and beside which….just ewwwwww

Jaely: *blinks* Ok that is something that would knock me right out of a story…

Shatterpath: BTW. thank you Jaely, for hte nice compliment

ariestess: @Jaely :: I"ve seen it SO. MANY. TIMES!

Jaely: welcome

alannasky: shatter, where are ur stories located? i dont think i have read urs

the_dhamphir: I can’t see Kathryn Willows, or Dana Scully, or Calleigh Duquesne every doing something like that at a crime scene.

Shatterpath: mostly AO3

ariestess: No, they’re all far too professional to do something like that.

Shatterpath: I’m up to my eyballs in the genre that will send me to that special hell for writers. *chuckle*

geekgrrllurking: having a shower together after mucking through a crime scene, now thats a whole other ballgame

Shatterpath: I do admit that I violated a crime scene in CSI once. Naughty Doggie

the_dhamphir: Yes, it is, geek. *S*

ariestess: @geek :: I"m okay with that.

the_dhamphir: What are your current favorite Crime shows and Women w/badges?

Jaely: Yeah I just can’t see any of them doing something like that and risking their case…

Shatterpath: Leverage

ariestess: NCIS is the only one still on that air that I’ll watch.

ariestess: Then again, Emma Swan has a badge, so…

ariestess: Well, and repeats of CM

geekgrrllurking: I always forget about NCIS

Jaely: I’m still a fan of CSI Catherine/Sarah I have gotten a bit into R&I thought

Kaqlittle: I love SVU, R&I, and the Closer

ariestess: Oh, and R&I. *sheepish grin*

Jaely: *grins*

geekgrrllurking: I like Rizzoli and Isles but rarely see it because of the cable channel its on in the states

ariestess: My Miami girls are gone. *sad face*

the_dhamphir: I was gutted when they canceled csi miami!

the_dhamphir: I love Calleigh

ariestess: I wasn’t surprised, but it still hurt.

Kaqlittle: I still watch CSI even tho Catherine is gone

the_dhamphir: even if she was adopting a couple of rug rats. lol

ariestess: And don’t get me started on the way CBS chose to end that series.

Shatterpath: AJ, at least we’ll always have LWM

geekgrrllurking: My fav is Bionic Woman, but not sure if that counts as cop drama, I guess in a way it does

shaych03: at least Calleigh didn’t end up with what’s his nose

Shatterpath: RUTH!

ariestess: I don’t mind her getting the kids. It fit with her character [and she didn’t do it with Dild–Delko].

Shatterpath: sorry, got excited there

the_dhamphir: ah no. a BIG no to calleigh and eric

geekgrrllurking: Lol, yes RUTH

Jaely: lol

the_dhamphir: he was never up to her caliber

ariestess: No, he wasn’t.

ariestess: But I"m not pleased that the one woman who was with teh show the entire run wasn’t with the rest of the team in the final scene.

the_dhamphir: i kept waiting for that bullet in his brain to move and kill him.

ariestess: *growls*

Shatterpath: Eric and Tony are IDIOTS

ariestess: I killed him in LWM, if that helps.

ariestess: And I nearly killed Tony.

Shatterpath: DIE, ERIC, DIE!

pbandfluff: It does a bit. 😛

ariestess: Killed Eric and kept Marisol alive.

Shatterpath: I love being able to do that sort of shit with fanfic

geekgrrllurking: speaking of LWM, how do you all feel about crossovers with the various cop drama type shows. Does it work or not so much?

Shatterpath: fix the screwups

Shatterpath: with ahrd work, you can make it work

ariestess: Good question, Geek.

the_dhamphir: I think it depends on how well the author set it up.

ariestess: Crossovers in general require someone who knows how to do it properly.

Shatterpath: I hate sotires with no setup for the changes within

the_dhamphir: Crossovers can be fun.

ariestess: And if you AU it somehow or AR it, that’s okay. Just explain that and do it logically.

Shatterpath: and a passing knowledge of the series involved on the part of hte reader. At least for the most part

Jaely: Sharon Bowers manages to do them really well I love her xfiles/silence of the lamb and Law and Order/NYPD Blues stories.

the_dhamphir: Especially if you have a character that doesn’t really have the chance to be paired with someone on her show.

ariestess: Don’t do like the story I read once where someone pulled the whole SVU team and plopped them into Chicago [in an ER crossover] because they liked Chicago better.

Shatterpath: I know a lot of people won’t touch LWM because of the enormity of the crossovers

geekgrrllurking: yes Jaely, SB is very good at them

the_dhamphir: Yes, Sharon did a good job of it

ariestess: They didn’t know either series beyond teh basics of names and places, then just mangled it.

pbandfluff: As writers, in your heads do all the various cop dramas exist in the same universe, or for the sake of continuity (and possibly sanity), do you think of them as existing seperately from each other?

shesgottaread: @ari: what is AR?

ariestess: @SGR :: Alternate Reality

the_dhamphir: And with Scully, unless you wait until the last season, there’s really no one to slash her with on her show. so a crossover is a good way to go.

shesgottaread: ty

Jaely: over all if they are taking the characters far away from what and where they normally do their job it seems a bit odd to me really..

ariestess: @pb :: Well, they’re all current series, so this same world, but unless I’m doing a crossover, I don’t really mix them in my head.

the_dhamphir: Again, it depends on the show for me, pband.

ariestess: Well, outside of the muses deciding to have a massive orgy in the muse cave.

geekgrrllurking: good point D, a lot of the women in the cop shows can be the token female in the show, so crossovers are the only option

Shatterpath: PB: IT’s nice when a show is based basicly in what we know as reality, because it can be lumped together with minimal effort

the_dhamphir: I’m totally convinced that Karen Sisco and CSI Miami co exist in the same universe

Shatterpath: on a side note; Geek, teh OUaT muses have found a back door to your damn beach

ariestess: @D :: If it means that I can put Kate Walsh with Emily Procter, I can be convinced, too.

the_dhamphir: LOL

the_dhamphir: Actually, I’d put Karen and Calleigh together.

the_dhamphir: I love Karen Sisco

Otakugamer01: now that there are other shows and fandoms with FBI characters i wonder if any authors will revisit Dana Scully and ship her with them, we only saw a portion of what she did on her off time

geekgrrllurking: Lol, I have been trying not to wander out to Muse Beach. They kidnap me for days and ply me with alcoholic beverages at the Tiki bar. Evil wenches…

ariestess: Carla Gugino [sp?] doesn’t do much for me. But I"m down with Walsh getting her swerve on via her characters.

the_dhamphir: I hope so, Otaku

the_dhamphir: I would love to see some more Scully slash being written!!

the_dhamphir: I’ve written a few short one shots pairing Scully and Calleigh.

ariestess: I’ve got a few Scully/Reyes pieces.

ariestess: LIke "Prayer" *heh*

Jaely: I would be tempted to to pair Scully with Agent Samantha Spade from without a trace…

the_dhamphir: But I’d really like to write a good strong story for the two of them. Really get into how they got together and why.

geekgrrllurking: is there a cop/crime drama show that you think should have more femslash for, like scully for example?

tristianmakhai: @Jaely, I might pay to read that. Anything with Sam Spade is excellent in my book.

the_dhamphir: There’s never enough Scully slash, geek. You ought to know that by now.

the_dhamphir: lol

geekgrrllurking: I’d like to see more Castle fic, but I have a hard time seeing Beckett with anyone but Castle

Jaely: I would like to see more Without a Trace Femslash to be honest

the_dhamphir: I’ve read some fic with Beckette paired with Olivia Benson. *S*

Jaely: I think there was a lot of potential with Spade

geekgrrllurking: I read a great one with Beckett and Bering from WH13

tristianmakhai: @Jaely I think the Raven is one of the only people I’ve seen write it

Jaely: *nods* yeah I think so too

Kaqlittle: I like that idea dhamphir

geekgrrllurking: @Jaely, I was surprised there wasn’t more for it too

tristianmakhai: I’m trying to remember if the Castle/Fringe fic was something I really read or just imagined.

Otakugamer01: we have the lovely ladies of CM and with Emily’s past only partially revealed who knows…

ariestess: It’s not on AO3 yet [but should be within the next month as I finish getting everything backed up there], but if you want to read porn that will make you look at teh rosary in a TOTALLY different way, go read this :: http://ariestess.livejournal.com/1091011.html

the_dhamphir: That sound vaguely familiar Tristi

Jaely: I can’t remember the Hispanic chic’s name right now from Without a Trace but they would be fun to see more of since they did not get along at first

the_dhamphir: I watched Without a Trace, but never got the urge to write anything for it.

geekgrrllurking: @Jaely, right wasn’t she in Rent?

ariestess: @Jaely :: Do yu mean Tracie Thoms?

tristianmakhai: @Dhamphir there was one! (I’m not totally dilusional, and you aren’t blindly believing me.)

Jaely: I don’t think so… unless it was later broadway casts…

the_dhamphir: Personally, I’d also like to see more fic for Saving Grace.

pbandfluff: Tracie Thoms was in Cold Case, I thought

Jaely: Nope Aries

the_dhamphir: No, it was Roselyn Sánchez

geekgrrllurking: I get cold case and without a trace mixed up all the time, dammit

ariestess: @pb :: No, you’re right.

the_dhamphir: She played Elena Delgado

Otakugamer01: hmm…a cold case involving someone Emma Swan knew and they had to travel to talk to her…would that even be plausible?

Jaely: dhamphir thats the one! thank you

Shatterpath: I have difficulties keep track of multiple shows and have a small selection that I follow

the_dhamphir: @jaely: yw

the_dhamphir: Well, there are about 10 minutes left. Any questions for the writers?

Jaely: I follow way to many… I get confused a lot

geekgrrllurking: Any new fics in the works along the crime drama lines?

Jaely: I have a Scully one that I’ve been fiddling with but I’m not sure if I will publish it…

ariestess: *thinks* I’ll have a CM fic coming up for the cm_bigbang. It’s primarily Prentiss-centric, but has a bit of Emily/JJ in it.

the_dhamphir: I’m always hoping to write more Scully, but in the works at this ime

the_dhamphir: *time

pbandfluff: As far as crime dramas go, what was the first show that made you sit up and go, ‘Yes, I need to write about this because this is awesome’?

Shatterpath: CSI. It was so unique at the time

quietheartedfsc: charlie’s angels

quietheartedfsc: did that date me or what?

geekgrrllurking: Ooh, good one QH

the_dhamphir: Yes! Charlie’s Angels! I wrote a lot for that… but none of it will ever posted.

the_dhamphir: Mostly because I wrote self-inserts at the time. LOL

geekgrrllurking: I’d say Buck Rogers but that’s more in line with the next panel coming up, lol!

ariestess: *thinks* I think I was drawn to Charlies Angles, but didn’t ever write for it. First one I wrote for was probably CSI.

Kaqlittle: I loved Charlie’s Angels

Jaely: xfiles but I’ve never posted them

displacedwarrior: I wish there was more Charlie’s Angels fic!

the_dhamphir: Sabrina for the win!

quietheartedfsc: I paired Kelly with everybody but Charlie and Bosley…lol

Shatterpath: man, you all started way younger than I did

geekgrrllurking: I loved Sabrina, still do

the_dhamphir: The first that i ever posted, though, was X-Files

quietheartedfsc: I’d lay in bed and write them in my head at night. I didn’t dare put them on paper.

quietheartedfsc: I still do that. My version of counting sheep

Jaely: I hear ya qh I did that a lot too

the_dhamphir: I did write them… and one day they were found by my mother. *sheepish*

Jaely: ohhh

ariestess: actually, I started writing X-Files, but never finished/posted that one anywhere. I really should see if I can end up doing that. IT would be a great way to explain the ghosts at Yaquina Bay Lighthouse.

the_dhamphir: at least it was after I’d moved out and was on my own. lol

quietheartedfsc: that would have spelled a quick death for me, D

the_dhamphir: I was halfway around the globe, qh. She couldn’t get to me

the_dhamphir: *W*

the_dhamphir: she DID send it to me though, saying she didn’t want it in the house.

shesgottaread: at least she didn’t destroy it

alannasky: hey shatter…where are u stories located?

Jaely: I never had to worry about that I came out young so they didn’t bat an eye when I would be sitting around the house writing them

geekgrrllurking: well, that’s something. At least she didn’t burn it or anything

the_dhamphir: though, come to think it. I’m not sure it was the writing or the playboys she was referring to. LMAO

Jaely: LOL

Shatterpath: @ alanna- mostly AO3, I need to finish my backlog!

ariestess: LOL @ DS

ariestess: D even

ariestess: *glares at fingers*

alannasky: actually, where are all your stories from all the authors?

the_dhamphir: she probably never read the stories.

synergyfox: *staring intently at screen waiting for said panel*

ariestess: @alanna :: DW, LJ, and AO3, all with the same name as here [ariestess] or on ShatterStorm Productions @ www.shatterstorm.net

the_dhamphir: My stories are on my LJ, DW and my website… www.dhamphir.com

Jaely: I have one on P&P and a few on FFN the rest are in various notebooks and flash drives

Shatterpath: livejournal has been the traditional place to find authors, but that appears to be changing lately

the_dhamphir: I have most of them also on P&P, but my LJ and website have everything.

Alkmaion: @shater: where do you find them now?

the_dhamphir: on LJ i’m just plain dhamphir

geekgrrllurking: its hard to keep track with all the archiving places now, I’m still most current on Livejournal. I’m old fashioned I guess

the_dhamphir: i’m with you, geek

Shatterpath: honestly, i rarely read anymore. I think I’m in burnout. But I’m still writing

the_dhamphir: I prefer Lj to other places

Alkmaion: I´m still moderating a yahoo group, what does that make me? *g*

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