the_dhamphir: Well, to get things started for the Crime panel…
Shatterpath: Dude, you just explained half of us and we’re a bunch of sexy bitches!
the_dhamphir: I’m Dhamphir and I’ve written a lot stories for Dana Scully in the X-Files. I’m also a fan of just about every crime precedural on right now.
Shatterpath: ariestess is once more having computer drama. She’ll be here soon
quietheartedfsc: ty doggie
geekgrrllurking: Is this where the law and order "Dum…dum…dum" comes in?
synergyfox: So much computer drama.
the_dhamphir: I also happen to have several years as a financial crime/fraud investigator in my background.
Shatterpath: Ariestess has written in a variety of fandoms. all three CSIs, SVU, R&I, CM, etc
quietheartedfsc: I’m QH and I’ve written Rizzoli & Isles and a bit of SVU crossovers
geekgrrllurking: You’re really a spook, aren’t ya D
Shatterpath: I will be the translator for Ariestess, just in case anyone missed that
the_dhamphir: Oh, I’ve also written for CSI Miami, but as xovers.
quietheartedfsc: doggie, make your font red please so we can see it
the_dhamphir: So what makes the women with badges so inticing to write about?
Jaely: they are sexy badasses?
quietheartedfsc: ya got a love a woman with a gun
Shatterpath: Ok, I am now Ariestess for now
geekgrrllurking: guns and swagger every time
Shatterpath: We were reminicing how sexy Sofia Curtis’ swagger was
quietheartedfsc: they do that whole dominant female thing so well
the_dhamphir: yes. that woman definitely has swagger!
Shatterpath: we commented that Emma from OUaT resembles said Curtis swagger
geekgrrllurking: Ooh, she does too…
the_dhamphir: So it’s because they’re strong characters, QH?
Otakugamer01: power and protection….
quietheartedfsc: I think TPTB are less afraid of women being strong if they carry a gun
Shatterpath: good points
the_dhamphir: That’s an intersting point.
Jaely: I don’t know I like the mix of swagger and human faults they are strong women but they are so flawed it makes them so interesting to read write and watch.
Shatterpath: though stupoid American TV does go the cliche route too much
geekgrrllurking: I think the gruff tough exterior often comes with a soft side that few get to see
the_dhamphir: what I like best about writing Scully, is exploring who she is inside, getting behind the cop persona
Jaely: I agree dhamphir
Shatterpath: ok, back to boring ole me
ariestess: TY! *glares at Dormouse* Nervous breakdowns are for MONDAY, missy.
geekgrrllurking: you yes, boring? Never, Doggie
Jaely: *patsn Shatter on the shoulder* we love you just as you are dear
Shatterpath: gonna tell Miss Jo yer flirtin’
ariestess: For those that don’t know [and were maybe worried I was talking about htem], Dormouse is my computer.
Shatterpath: I never get enough time to yammer at you, dangit
the_dhamphir: Tell us why you like writing women with badges, aj
ariestess: Because they can frisk me.
ariestess: Wait! Inside thought, inside thought, inside thougth.
Shatterpath: who doesn’t love a woman warrior?
ariestess: I couldn’t help myself…
quietheartedfsc: *wearing my cop hat*
bearblue: handcuffs have notjing to do with it…
ariestess: No, I like writing women with badges because they represent a kind of power that we don’t see a lot in television and movies.
the_dhamphir: heh, not at all, bb
Shatterpath: those of us with depth would rather be able to take care of ourselves than wait for ‘Prince Charming’
HeyPaal: any chance someone can explain to me what this room’s special for?
ariestess: Especially television. And we’re finally starting to see some women with "power" that aren’t uptight bitches.
Shatterpath: little by little
Jaely: completely agree
geekgrrllurking: wow two for two, you go mod cops!
quietheartedfsc: we be bad
the_dhamphir: especially together!
geekgrrllurking: Ok, eye wash stations, eye wash stations…
quietheartedfsc: actually, I’m one up on you, D…I bounced that first one from the other room too…lol
Jaely: are we just asking questiosn or do we need to raise our hands again?
the_dhamphir: So what show first got you interested in writing fanfic for a crime show? Which cop first caught your eye?
quietheartedfsc: just ask Jaely…it’s a smaller crownd
ariestess: So can we bounch the other one from the other room?
ariestess: bounch = bounce with an accent
ariestess: Or he could just leave before we can.
geekgrrllurking: how european of you AJ, lol
quietheartedfsc: not as long as they’re quiet, aj
ariestess: *scuffs floor with toe*
quietheartedfsc: I actually came at writing crime shows from teh back door
geekgrrllurking: I was drawn to CSI (vegas) and then SVU but I rarely write those fandoms. I enjoy reading them more.
quietheartedfsc: I was writing FOL fic and Jo was a cop by then…soooooo
Shatterpath: I had love affiarswith them too, G
ariestess: I actually used to write 21 Jumpstreet fic, but not femslash. And that was AGES ago… and we don’t talk about that anymore.
geekgrrllurking: Lol, it sounds like a dirty secret AJ
the_dhamphir: The first fic I wrote for a crime show was SVU… not that any of it will see the light day. lol
quietheartedfsc: My first posted fic was FOL/SVU crossover ficlets
ariestess: @geek :: It involves my first ex-gf [the pathological liar in the closet] and hetsmut. Nuff said.
Jaely: How do you all handle the crime element in your stories or do you just scim over it?
Shatterpath: Xena. So long ago that the fics are lost to teh ether. Bummer
ariestess: I tend to skim over it.
geekgrrllurking: @aj nuff said exactly! Yikes
ariestess: Oh! And Im forgetting my favorite woman in uniform!
the_dhamphir: Actually, for my Scully series Weak in the Knees, I put a lot of research into it.
ariestess: *glares at Doggie and wonders if someone is bitching in the back of HER skull too*
quietheartedfsc: I seldom write the actual crime…I tend to more write the interpersonal relationships
the_dhamphir: I talked to a friend who’s a cop, and even with a LCSW to make sure I got certain things about my villian right.
ariestess: Did anyone else here write Division fic?
ariestess: Besides me and Shatterpath?
geekgrrllurking: Is forensics more important in crime fics now do you think? And how do you handle that?
Shatterpath: Poor, neglected CD and Jinny…
alannasky: cool dhamp
ariestess: And no, I rarely write the crimes.
quietheartedfsc: The shows have obviously moved that way
Jaely: oh good question geek I’ve wondered about that myself
the_dhamphir: For the most part I don’t get too deep into the crimes. But when I do, I try to make it as plausible as possible
ariestess: If I’m going to write anythng of a procedural nature, I’d rather write the forensics.
Shatterpath: In the long run the characters are far more interesting than the cases
geekgrrllurking: do you think that because we are more romance based fic writers that the crime element takes a back seat?
quietheartedfsc: it takes a lot of research to write the forensics
ariestess: @Geek :: I totally think thta’s part of it.
quietheartedfsc: Geek, definitely
the_dhamphir: in general, yes, geek.
the_dhamphir: And I hate it when a story does go into the crime element but doesn’t get it right
Shatterpath: well, i don’t think it’s the forensics/proceedures that make us love a show enough to write it
quietheartedfsc: I tend to avoid writing anything I don’t have the time to research properly
Jaely: I personally like the nit and grit of a well written crime plot but I have not really seen that many that keep my attention.
the_dhamphir: no, shatter, it’s the characters. but when someone does go into it, research is their friend.
ariestess: Then again, I also have issues when stories have the cops/CSIs/whatever getting their swerve on at the crime scene.
Shatterpath: I research to DEATH
Shatterpath: hours and hours and hours of the stuff
ariestess: I can attest to Shatterpath’s obsessive research
Jaely: well that explains why I love Shatter’s stories so much
the_dhamphir: I agree aj. Cops getting it on while at a crime scene is a backbuttoner for me
Shatterpath: there’s a reason i’m not fast
ariestess: I’m not sure which is worse: cops or CSIs getting it on at teh scene.
ariestess: Actually, no, it’s the CSIs, who KNOW that compromising the scene can kill the case.
the_dhamphir: one in the same for me aj
ariestess: @D :: Good point.
quietheartedfsc: and beside which….just ewwwwww
Jaely: *blinks* Ok that is something that would knock me right out of a story…
Shatterpath: BTW. thank you Jaely, for hte nice compliment
ariestess: @Jaely :: I"ve seen it SO. MANY. TIMES!
alannasky: shatter, where are ur stories located? i dont think i have read urs
the_dhamphir: I can’t see Kathryn Willows, or Dana Scully, or Calleigh Duquesne every doing something like that at a crime scene.
Shatterpath: mostly AO3
ariestess: No, they’re all far too professional to do something like that.
Shatterpath: I’m up to my eyballs in the genre that will send me to that special hell for writers. *chuckle*
geekgrrllurking: having a shower together after mucking through a crime scene, now thats a whole other ballgame
Shatterpath: I do admit that I violated a crime scene in CSI once. Naughty Doggie
the_dhamphir: Yes, it is, geek. *S*
ariestess: @geek :: I"m okay with that.
the_dhamphir: What are your current favorite Crime shows and Women w/badges?
Jaely: Yeah I just can’t see any of them doing something like that and risking their case…
ariestess: NCIS is the only one still on that air that I’ll watch.
ariestess: Then again, Emma Swan has a badge, so…
ariestess: Well, and repeats of CM
geekgrrllurking: I always forget about NCIS
Jaely: I’m still a fan of CSI Catherine/Sarah I have gotten a bit into R&I thought
Kaqlittle: I love SVU, R&I, and the Closer
ariestess: Oh, and R&I. *sheepish grin*
geekgrrllurking: I like Rizzoli and Isles but rarely see it because of the cable channel its on in the states
ariestess: My Miami girls are gone. *sad face*
the_dhamphir: I was gutted when they canceled csi miami!
the_dhamphir: I love Calleigh
ariestess: I wasn’t surprised, but it still hurt.
Kaqlittle: I still watch CSI even tho Catherine is gone
the_dhamphir: even if she was adopting a couple of rug rats. lol
ariestess: And don’t get me started on the way CBS chose to end that series.
Shatterpath: AJ, at least we’ll always have LWM
geekgrrllurking: My fav is Bionic Woman, but not sure if that counts as cop drama, I guess in a way it does
shaych03: at least Calleigh didn’t end up with what’s his nose
ariestess: I don’t mind her getting the kids. It fit with her character [and she didn’t do it with Dild–Delko].
Shatterpath: sorry, got excited there
the_dhamphir: ah no. a BIG no to calleigh and eric
geekgrrllurking: Lol, yes RUTH
the_dhamphir: he was never up to her caliber
ariestess: No, he wasn’t.
ariestess: But I"m not pleased that the one woman who was with teh show the entire run wasn’t with the rest of the team in the final scene.
the_dhamphir: i kept waiting for that bullet in his brain to move and kill him.
Shatterpath: Eric and Tony are IDIOTS
ariestess: I killed him in LWM, if that helps.
ariestess: And I nearly killed Tony.
Shatterpath: DIE, ERIC, DIE!
pbandfluff: It does a bit. 😛
ariestess: Killed Eric and kept Marisol alive.
Shatterpath: I love being able to do that sort of shit with fanfic
geekgrrllurking: speaking of LWM, how do you all feel about crossovers with the various cop drama type shows. Does it work or not so much?
Shatterpath: fix the screwups
Shatterpath: with ahrd work, you can make it work
ariestess: Good question, Geek.
the_dhamphir: I think it depends on how well the author set it up.
ariestess: Crossovers in general require someone who knows how to do it properly.
Shatterpath: I hate sotires with no setup for the changes within
the_dhamphir: Crossovers can be fun.
ariestess: And if you AU it somehow or AR it, that’s okay. Just explain that and do it logically.
Shatterpath: and a passing knowledge of the series involved on the part of hte reader. At least for the most part
Jaely: Sharon Bowers manages to do them really well I love her xfiles/silence of the lamb and Law and Order/NYPD Blues stories.
the_dhamphir: Especially if you have a character that doesn’t really have the chance to be paired with someone on her show.
ariestess: Don’t do like the story I read once where someone pulled the whole SVU team and plopped them into Chicago [in an ER crossover] because they liked Chicago better.
Shatterpath: I know a lot of people won’t touch LWM because of the enormity of the crossovers
geekgrrllurking: yes Jaely, SB is very good at them
the_dhamphir: Yes, Sharon did a good job of it
ariestess: They didn’t know either series beyond teh basics of names and places, then just mangled it.
pbandfluff: As writers, in your heads do all the various cop dramas exist in the same universe, or for the sake of continuity (and possibly sanity), do you think of them as existing seperately from each other?
shesgottaread: @ari: what is AR?
ariestess: @SGR :: Alternate Reality
the_dhamphir: And with Scully, unless you wait until the last season, there’s really no one to slash her with on her show. so a crossover is a good way to go.
Jaely: over all if they are taking the characters far away from what and where they normally do their job it seems a bit odd to me really..
ariestess: @pb :: Well, they’re all current series, so this same world, but unless I’m doing a crossover, I don’t really mix them in my head.
the_dhamphir: Again, it depends on the show for me, pband.
ariestess: Well, outside of the muses deciding to have a massive orgy in the muse cave.
geekgrrllurking: good point D, a lot of the women in the cop shows can be the token female in the show, so crossovers are the only option
Shatterpath: PB: IT’s nice when a show is based basicly in what we know as reality, because it can be lumped together with minimal effort
the_dhamphir: I’m totally convinced that Karen Sisco and CSI Miami co exist in the same universe
Shatterpath: on a side note; Geek, teh OUaT muses have found a back door to your damn beach
ariestess: @D :: If it means that I can put Kate Walsh with Emily Procter, I can be convinced, too.
the_dhamphir: Actually, I’d put Karen and Calleigh together.
the_dhamphir: I love Karen Sisco
Otakugamer01: now that there are other shows and fandoms with FBI characters i wonder if any authors will revisit Dana Scully and ship her with them, we only saw a portion of what she did on her off time
geekgrrllurking: Lol, I have been trying not to wander out to Muse Beach. They kidnap me for days and ply me with alcoholic beverages at the Tiki bar. Evil wenches…
ariestess: Carla Gugino [sp?] doesn’t do much for me. But I"m down with Walsh getting her swerve on via her characters.
the_dhamphir: I hope so, Otaku
the_dhamphir: I would love to see some more Scully slash being written!!
the_dhamphir: I’ve written a few short one shots pairing Scully and Calleigh.
ariestess: I’ve got a few Scully/Reyes pieces.
ariestess: LIke "Prayer" *heh*
Jaely: I would be tempted to to pair Scully with Agent Samantha Spade from without a trace…
the_dhamphir: But I’d really like to write a good strong story for the two of them. Really get into how they got together and why.
geekgrrllurking: is there a cop/crime drama show that you think should have more femslash for, like scully for example?
tristianmakhai: @Jaely, I might pay to read that. Anything with Sam Spade is excellent in my book.
the_dhamphir: There’s never enough Scully slash, geek. You ought to know that by now.
geekgrrllurking: I’d like to see more Castle fic, but I have a hard time seeing Beckett with anyone but Castle
Jaely: I would like to see more Without a Trace Femslash to be honest
the_dhamphir: I’ve read some fic with Beckette paired with Olivia Benson. *S*
Jaely: I think there was a lot of potential with Spade
geekgrrllurking: I read a great one with Beckett and Bering from WH13
tristianmakhai: @Jaely I think the Raven is one of the only people I’ve seen write it
Jaely: *nods* yeah I think so too
Kaqlittle: I like that idea dhamphir
geekgrrllurking: @Jaely, I was surprised there wasn’t more for it too
tristianmakhai: I’m trying to remember if the Castle/Fringe fic was something I really read or just imagined.
Otakugamer01: we have the lovely ladies of CM and with Emily’s past only partially revealed who knows…
ariestess: It’s not on AO3 yet [but should be within the next month as I finish getting everything backed up there], but if you want to read porn that will make you look at teh rosary in a TOTALLY different way, go read this :: http://ariestess.livejournal.com/1091011.html
the_dhamphir: That sound vaguely familiar Tristi
Jaely: I can’t remember the Hispanic chic’s name right now from Without a Trace but they would be fun to see more of since they did not get along at first
the_dhamphir: I watched Without a Trace, but never got the urge to write anything for it.
geekgrrllurking: @Jaely, right wasn’t she in Rent?
ariestess: @Jaely :: Do yu mean Tracie Thoms?
tristianmakhai: @Dhamphir there was one! (I’m not totally dilusional, and you aren’t blindly believing me.)
Jaely: I don’t think so… unless it was later broadway casts…
the_dhamphir: Personally, I’d also like to see more fic for Saving Grace.
pbandfluff: Tracie Thoms was in Cold Case, I thought
Jaely: Nope Aries
the_dhamphir: No, it was Roselyn Sánchez
geekgrrllurking: I get cold case and without a trace mixed up all the time, dammit
ariestess: @pb :: No, you’re right.
the_dhamphir: She played Elena Delgado
Otakugamer01: hmm…a cold case involving someone Emma Swan knew and they had to travel to talk to her…would that even be plausible?
Jaely: dhamphir thats the one! thank you
Shatterpath: I have difficulties keep track of multiple shows and have a small selection that I follow
the_dhamphir: @jaely: yw
the_dhamphir: Well, there are about 10 minutes left. Any questions for the writers?
Jaely: I follow way to many… I get confused a lot
geekgrrllurking: Any new fics in the works along the crime drama lines?
Jaely: I have a Scully one that I’ve been fiddling with but I’m not sure if I will publish it…
ariestess: *thinks* I’ll have a CM fic coming up for the cm_bigbang. It’s primarily Prentiss-centric, but has a bit of Emily/JJ in it.
the_dhamphir: I’m always hoping to write more Scully, but in the works at this ime
pbandfluff: As far as crime dramas go, what was the first show that made you sit up and go, ‘Yes, I need to write about this because this is awesome’?
Shatterpath: CSI. It was so unique at the time
quietheartedfsc: charlie’s angels
quietheartedfsc: did that date me or what?
geekgrrllurking: Ooh, good one QH
the_dhamphir: Yes! Charlie’s Angels! I wrote a lot for that… but none of it will ever posted.
the_dhamphir: Mostly because I wrote self-inserts at the time. LOL
geekgrrllurking: I’d say Buck Rogers but that’s more in line with the next panel coming up, lol!
ariestess: *thinks* I think I was drawn to Charlies Angles, but didn’t ever write for it. First one I wrote for was probably CSI.
Kaqlittle: I loved Charlie’s Angels
Jaely: xfiles but I’ve never posted them
displacedwarrior: I wish there was more Charlie’s Angels fic!
the_dhamphir: Sabrina for the win!
quietheartedfsc: I paired Kelly with everybody but Charlie and Bosley…lol
Shatterpath: man, you all started way younger than I did
geekgrrllurking: I loved Sabrina, still do
the_dhamphir: The first that i ever posted, though, was X-Files
quietheartedfsc: I’d lay in bed and write them in my head at night. I didn’t dare put them on paper.
quietheartedfsc: I still do that. My version of counting sheep
Jaely: I hear ya qh I did that a lot too
the_dhamphir: I did write them… and one day they were found by my mother. *sheepish*
ariestess: actually, I started writing X-Files, but never finished/posted that one anywhere. I really should see if I can end up doing that. IT would be a great way to explain the ghosts at Yaquina Bay Lighthouse.
the_dhamphir: at least it was after I’d moved out and was on my own. lol
quietheartedfsc: that would have spelled a quick death for me, D
the_dhamphir: I was halfway around the globe, qh. She couldn’t get to me
the_dhamphir: she DID send it to me though, saying she didn’t want it in the house.
shesgottaread: at least she didn’t destroy it
alannasky: hey shatter…where are u stories located?
Jaely: I never had to worry about that I came out young so they didn’t bat an eye when I would be sitting around the house writing them
geekgrrllurking: well, that’s something. At least she didn’t burn it or anything
the_dhamphir: though, come to think it. I’m not sure it was the writing or the playboys she was referring to. LMAO
Shatterpath: @ alanna- mostly AO3, I need to finish my backlog!
ariestess: LOL @ DS
ariestess: D even
ariestess: *glares at fingers*
alannasky: actually, where are all your stories from all the authors?
the_dhamphir: she probably never read the stories.
synergyfox: *staring intently at screen waiting for said panel*
ariestess: @alanna :: DW, LJ, and AO3, all with the same name as here [ariestess] or on ShatterStorm Productions @ www.shatterstorm.net
the_dhamphir: My stories are on my LJ, DW and my website… www.dhamphir.com
Jaely: I have one on P&P and a few on FFN the rest are in various notebooks and flash drives
Shatterpath: livejournal has been the traditional place to find authors, but that appears to be changing lately
the_dhamphir: I have most of them also on P&P, but my LJ and website have everything.
Alkmaion: @shater: where do you find them now?
the_dhamphir: on LJ i’m just plain dhamphir
geekgrrllurking: its hard to keep track with all the archiving places now, I’m still most current on Livejournal. I’m old fashioned I guess
the_dhamphir: i’m with you, geek
Shatterpath: honestly, i rarely read anymore. I think I’m in burnout. But I’m still writing
the_dhamphir: I prefer Lj to other places
Alkmaion: I´m still moderating a yahoo group, what does that make me? *g*