quietheartedfsc: hello, and welcome to the Social Media Panel
quietheartedfsc: If our panelists would introduce themselves
docwho2100: hi I am doc (aka jojo) and I use social media for work, play and assorted writing
shesgottaread: Hi, I’m sgr, and have been involved with researching social media for both my RL job and our SSW
shesgottaread: is it just the two of us on the panel today?
LZClotho: how does everyone best use SM here? I use to it track tumblr story updates (Bows to the Queen! and FYSQ are my top two) and the livejournal and Facebook communities to socialize.
quietheartedfsc: adn I’ll be both mod and panelist for this one. quiethearted. I use social media for both my company and the SSW
shesgottaread: Good question, LZ
shesgottaread: I’ve been using LJ and FB, and recently joined pinterest
shesgottaread: what is FYSQ, since that’s one I’ve not heard of.
quietheartedfsc: I’ve found that using FB to connect to potential clients has proven invaluable
Jaely: how so qh?
quietheartedfsc: I left an existing chain to go out on my own. For obvious reasons, I couldn’t contact existing customers, so used FB to make those connections outside fo the normal channels.
quietheartedfsc: It let me show folks I was there still but in my own setting.
quietheartedfsc: It has become part of our regular advertising package
quietheartedfsc: more and more companies and individuals are using social media for that reason
Jaely: I just graduated as a Graphic designer and trying to figure out how to get myself and my work out to others using Soical Media… but I’m not too up to date on how it all works.
quietheartedfsc: then I’d tell you to do 2 things right off…a professional FB page, and join LinkedIN
shesgottaread: right. especially the LinkedIN
quietheartedfsc: then, as a graphic designer, you want a portfolio website.
Jaely: that I have
Jaely: had to inorder to graduate
quietheartedfsc: are you in a city or small town?
grumpybear1031: It works well when you use it. Just signing up for social media sites won’t do you much good if you don’t actively keep up with them. You need to make sure to keep supplying new content and constantly updating.
shesgottaread: and you probably want a Tumblr and Pinterest account as well.
Jaely: Large southern city
Jaely: what is tumblr?
shesgottaread: Pinterest is very graphically oriented, while Tumblr seems to be a good mix of graphics and text postings
quietheartedfsc: find the local women’s professional organization and join up..go to the meetings
Jaely: Ok *takes notes*
quietheartedfsc: the key is to get your name in front of as many people as possible
quietheartedfsc: these days, more than ever, it’s who you know
grumpybear1031: Whatever you do also keep proffessional accounts seperate from personal ones.
quietheartedfsc: I started a business last august in probably the worst economy in decades and we’re already close to breaking even.
Jaely: sound advise… I never like mixing the two
Jaely: oh nice
quietheartedfsc: definitely keep personal and private separate…far separate. most of my friends aren’t even on my professional FB pages
Jaely: right makes sense
quietheartedfsc: you may not do anything out of the way on your site, but there’s no telling what a friend might do inadvertantly
angharad_gov: do you think the fragmented nature of social media is a help or a hinderance for fandom (in general) and femslash fandoms (specifically) ?
quietheartedfsc: and people, employers, check that now. they google you
quietheartedfsc: ang, it’s both…it all depends on how you use it
shesgottaread: good question. Personally I think it’s a hinderance
shesgottaread: I find that there’s a definite splintering, having been used to finding everything on yahoogroups
shesgottaread: QH, how would you say that it is a help?
quietheartedfsc: depends on if you’re looking to connect…or trying to attract connections….
quietheartedfsc: you can use the scattered nature of it to focus people in a certain direction.
quietheartedfsc: like when we gathered all the real estate for the ssw…FB, tumblr, twitter, etc.
shesgottaread: true. and in connection w/keeping it separate from your professional or RL, how many of you on FB belong to femslash groups?
quietheartedfsc: all to focus attention to a single location
quietheartedfsc: *raising hand*
shesgottaread: *g* I "belong" to a J/7 group, but never see any of the posts for some reason.
the_dhamphir: but do you belong to femslash groups on fb with your professional acct?
quietheartedfsc: not my r/l professional account…I do under my femslash pro account
shesgottaread: I actually only have 1 FB acct, so personal and job get commingled
quietheartedfsc: that wouldn’t work int his part of the country sgr…you can’t cross the two…at all
quietheartedfsc: I created a separate email and used it to join FB for all my femslash activities…my real name isn’t on any of it anywhere
shesgottaread: however, my employment situation so far hasn’t made that an issue for me. hanging out w/drag queens, involvement with femslash, none of those are currently an issue, but it is something I think about when I hear of femslash groups on FB
quietheartedfsc: You always have to remember that once it’s one the web…it’s eternal…you can never break those connections once made
shesgottaread: however, I also try to keep this name separate to an extent from RL
quietheartedfsc: In the South that’s more of an issue than where you live
shesgottaread: true, true indeed. and my employer is pretty liberal as well.
shesgottaread: so I’m lucky, I know.
quietheartedfsc: my employer is too…now…lol
quietheartedfsc: but not before…it was one of those known secrets…
quietheartedfsc: the point is social media can get you a long way, but you’ve got to be very conscious of how you use it
shesgottaread: However, I’d like to share a couple of links on security since hacking is a concern. You don’t want your accounts ripped away from you when you’ve spent time building a following.
quietheartedfsc: all these links will be posted to the con site a bit later on as well, if you want to refer to them in future
quietheartedfsc: sgr, if you’ll email those to ralst, she’ll see they get up.
shesgottaread: That one covers several of the SM sites, and here’s one abt Pinterest: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-pinterest-security-issues/
shesgottaread: I will do that. MakeUseOf is a pretty reliable blog on tech things.
quietheartedfsc: I’ve found it useful since you turned me on to it, too.
shesgottaread: If anyone is interested, Pinterest is currently in beta, so you need an invite. Send me an email at shesgottaread @ gmail and I’ll send you an invite
quietheartedfsc: ang, you ahve a question?
angharad_gov: do you think the rise of social media makes it more difficult or easier for fandoms to come together as they did in the days of email lists? is it easier to connect with fen or harder because of social media’s fragmented nature?
quietheartedfsc: I’m going to say easier
quietheartedfsc: I have talked to more people, fans and otherwise, since I’ve been using social media than I had in ages.
Ceridwyn2: okay, my browser locked up on me, so I had to go in another way
shaych03: i feel like it’s harder. i know there’s a lot of fan goodies on tumblr, but hardly any of them migrate to livejournal
quietheartedfsc: and I’m relatively new to the social media scene….just a matter of a few months
the_dhamphir: I agree with shaych
shesgottaread: I think overall it is harder, there are writers in fandom that don’t know of others, because the they’re on diff. SM networks
Ceridwyn2: I tend to use LJ for reading fic, but sometimes get drawn into fandoms by word of mouth on Twitter or FB.
the_dhamphir: a long time ago most stuff was in yahoo groups. then the writers migrated to LJ, and i followed. now, some are on lj, some on tumblr, some are somewhere else.
shesgottaread: certainly, I find it harder to find/keep up with writers that I adore
grumpybear1031: yeah I dislike having to search all over creation for things and always feel like an idot posting the same thing to three or four different places
LZClotho: there is more out there which makes it harder to be sure you aren’t tracking all over the same stuff. I don’t know how many times I’ve downloaded from tumblr only to find it further along on one of the other sites, or vice versa.
Ceridwyn2: Or things that had been posted in one place but get taken down by the author, webhost, or other reason
Ceridwyn2: Oft times I’ll save something, but sometimes I don’t and it’s a bitch to go and try and find where it was posted, if its still there
quietheartedfsc: that’s been true forever though
quietheartedfsc: geocities is a prime example
shesgottaread: and depending on the interface for a site, trying to go back and find earlier work is incredibly difficult
Ceridwyn2: Then there’s the Wayback Machine, which is good for finding some old stuff.
quietheartedfsc: if you ahve the url
shaych03: but then you have writers who post a "first draft" for fans to read and love – then take it down when it gets published.
Ceridwyn2: I’ve got tons of stuff bookmarked, which is only really useful if it’s still working or if WBM has archived copies of the site
quietheartedfsc: often that’s the publishers requirement, not the writesr
shaych03: i realize some publishing companies require that, but i think it’s a disservice
Ceridwyn2: However, I love that Melissa Good’s Dar & Kerry series has been published, but she still maintains it on her website.
shaych03: and she has a massive, still-growing fandom because of it.
Gin Akasarahsmom: different versions…
Gin Akasarahsmom: in the published versions all the X&G stuff is removed
shaych03: i still get feedback for Banshee’s Honor from the web version where the reader goes and buys the book and loves it just as much
Ceridwyn2: Yeah, slightly different, but mostly the same.
shesgottaread: yes, I’ve recently been using a program to help me save and convert fic to epub for just that reason, but it doesn’t help with most sites
Gin Akasarahsmom: mostly the same
Ceridwyn2: Yeah, but the sentiment and main gist of it remains
shesgottaread: I know I’ve gone to GCLS convetions & spent $100s on books that I had read online originally.
quietheartedfsc: I buy the ebook versions in a heartbeat….saves me doing the converting myself.
Ceridwyn2: I’m currently rereading Sel Vecanti’s Babylon 5 story, "Reunion".
Ceridwyn2: I had a print version of MG’s "Tropical Storm" but it’s disappeared somewheres
Gin Akasarahsmom: what pairing on the B5 story Ceri?
quietheartedfsc: I think it has to be faced that, especially in this economy, not everyone can afforde to buy the book….when they can they do, but otherwise, it’s nice they can still read when possible.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yay!… the best one
Gin Akasarahsmom: my *signed* copy of Tropical Storm is around here somewhere
shesgottaread: so what SM networks do you find best for following femslash?
quietheartedfsc: after that, ang has another questions
shesgottaread: for me, it’s still LJ
Ceridwyn2: It takes place in S5, but focuses on Ivanova and her new command of the EAS Rasputin. A ship that was partially built with Shadow technology. A well written series
shesgottaread: go ahead, ang
angharad_gov: is it a positive or a negative for you if you follow/friend/etc a fandom writer on whatever social media platform they’re on and he/she mostly ends up discussing personal matters rather than fandom ones?
Ceridwyn2: Still LJ here, too
shaych03: lj and i think tumblr seems to have a goodly amount on it
Ceridwyn2: Doesn’t really bother me at all.
yurianimeotaku: @sgr I use FB to stay connected to my favorite lesbian fiction authors and publishers. I don’t track fan fiction authors via SM.
shesgottaread: it doesn’t bother me really
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m mostly on FB now
Gin Akasarahsmom: different groups there
quietheartedfsc: I think you have to remember that it’s their page. Everyone uses them different ways.
ivanolix: If tumblr was better at getting everyone to tag things with the same pairing tags, it would be great
quietheartedfsc: If someone’s too chatty, I take them off my feed.
Ceridwyn2: I don’t have enough fan writings outside of OVS to have an LJ, FB or Twitter feed for just fandom stuff
shesgottaread: yes, @yuri, I’ve also got lesbian authors/publishers on my FB feed, some fanfic writers, but they’re not posting fic there
Ceridwyn2: So, it’s mixed interspersed with other stuff, too
shaych03: i think it’s a two edged sword – some people, i like the personable stuff, some i’m not interested in the minutiae
quietheartedfsc: no, I’m not much on…"going to the store to buy milk now" postings
shesgottaread: some I read their posts via a LJ community so don’t see the minutia
Ceridwyn2: same as I follow both Val McDermid & Tanya Huff on twitter, and they don’t always post stuff on writing.
quietheartedfsc: unless they’re planning to pick me up a gallon too, I could care less.
the_dhamphir: and that’s the very thing i dislike about twitter
Ceridwyn2: And I know of some authors that choose to have their fanfic on their own website so they can control where it’s posted or reposted.
quietheartedfsc: I’m moving in that direction myself, Ceri
Ceridwyn2: See, i don’t mind. Like, Tanya Huff was tweeting about something today regarding the heat, and if she wanted that heat she’d be at San Diego Comic Con this weekend
yurianimeotaku: I find femslash author Slave2Free’s use of SM rather interesting. The series is posted on P&P with video clips referenced in the chapter posted on YouTube.
quietheartedfsc: that’s a creative use of SM
shesgottaread: That sounds pretty cool. I know I’ve seen diff. fic that refer to songs that include a YouTube link.
quietheartedfsc: I think you can do a lot with it, if you think creatively
angharad_gov: since there isn’t a "fandom filter" for most SM, does exposure to the personal blatherings of fandom (or otherwise) authors turn you away from being a fan?
Ceridwyn2: Not unless they’re being an ass in SM, that would turn me off their fic
shesgottaread: ah, how do you define fandom? the ficcers or the folks who are making the inspirational material?
quietheartedfsc: no, becasue I don’t think the two equate. Just like the actor is not the character.
Ceridwyn2: For the most part, I can disassociate the SM chatter if they can write really well
shaych03: i think it’s again, a perception issue. is their blather interesting? then probably not. are they hyper political in a way that makes me uberrage? then i’d go away.
yurianimeotaku: @ang I like knowing why my fav author hasn’t posted anything in awhile, but other than that, I personally don’t care if they what they are doing every minute of the day.
Ceridwyn2: I think it encompasses a lot
shesgottaread: I’m interested in the fic, and when I have a friendship w/the writer, that’s relevant
Ceridwyn2: I follow some actors that I like from sf fandoms – Jeri Ryan & Patricia Tallman, because both are pretty darned geeky.
quietheartedfsc: with the notable exception of LZ and Gun, I don’t really friend or subscribe to writers. Thankfully, they’re not overly chatty
Ceridwyn2: Neither is Melissa Good and I follow her on twitter
shaych03: as a writer, i don’t tend to be overly chatty in my social media sites
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… I have a lot of writer friends
shesgottaread: yeah, for me, MG’s posts abt the boats & networking is interesting
quietheartedfsc: I never post anything on my sites…except pleas to stop me from volunteering for things.
shaych03: i feel like it’s really not my place to air my bs unless it’s affecting something i’m posting
Ceridwyn2: mine, it depends on time of day. Because I primarily work nights, then my time on twitter/FB is dependent on when I’m awake in the daytime.
quietheartedfsc: If I’m on FB it’s to check my farms…*G*
quietheartedfsc: not tell my business
shesgottaread: not supposed to be on FB during the ‘Con… *g*
Ceridwyn2: FB – my feed is personal, not specifically fandom oriented
Gin Akasarahsmom: always on… always on..
yurianimeotaku: I’m still getting used to the whole "being friends with authors" thing, so I tend to keep my distance online.
shesgottaread: how many different sites/networks can you keep up with at any one time? That’s part of my reluctance to keep joingin
Ceridwyn2: Depends on the situation and the writer.
Gin Akasarahsmom: since I started on FB I haven’t gone on LJ too much
yurianimeotaku: @sgr You mean AND have an offline life?
Gin Akasarahsmom: mostly one or two at a time for me… three or more becomes overwhelmong
quietheartedfsc: I think it’s all about why you’re doing it. If you’re just hanging out, that’s one thing, but using SM to advance your professional reputation is something entirely different
Gin Akasarahsmom: overwhelming
Gin Akasarahsmom: true QH
Ceridwyn2: I haven’t been on FB as much but that’s because I’m supposed to be writing OVS not getting stuck in reading other fic for the moment.
shesgottaread: @yuri, LOL. I’ve not had an offline life in years
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… if you spend too much time online writing goes to the back burner too
quietheartedfsc: I think we all find that R/L interferes with our net life far too much
Gin Akasarahsmom: that’s for sure
quietheartedfsc: I want to thank our panelist/s. Doc has had some computer trouble but should be back with us later.
angharad_gov: thanks everyone for answering my questions.
quietheartedfsc: yw, ang
yurianimeotaku: ty panelists
shesgottaread: I hope we answered them to your satisfaction
shesgottaread: thank you all for being here
angharad_gov: yup. very much so