Xena

alannasky: meow mew xena…woo hoo

Gin Akasarahsmom: Xena!

Ceridwyn2: now XWP. Ah, my old love

ariestess: Transcripts will be available after the con is over. Give us a couple of weeks ot recover and get them all ready for you, then they’ll be on the femslashday.com site.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I haven’t been in the Xena fandom for quite some time…

Gin Akasarahsmom: I do have fond memories though

alannasky: Xena is my first fandom and i always go back to it

Gin Akasarahsmom: Whoever is on the panel here needs to change their font to red and introduce themselves.

AlexReading: @Gin seems like I’ve never left. But reading more uber and original than Xena fic these days.

Del Robertson: Hi. Del Robertson

Ceridwyn2: I’ve just gotten back recently into the fandom via Melissa Good’s series of stories & watching the show on Netflix

Gin Akasarahsmom: I moved on… I’ve been fairly active in DWP lately

Gin Akasarahsmom: I practically have Missy’s stories memorized LOL

Gin Akasarahsmom: but I read them AS she was writing them!

Gin Akasarahsmom: that is how long I’ve been in and/or out of it

alannasky: meow thats good

ledoof: I’m a noob. Only got into the show about a year ago and the fanfic shortly after.

Ceridwyn2: yes, I also read them at the time, and was on the XWP Campfire Girls listserv

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. hitting refresh refresh refresh.. hoping the next refresh would bring an update…

Gin Akasarahsmom: ah… those were the days

alannasky: i have been with the series since it began and later got into the fanfics

AlexReading: those were the days!

Ceridwyn2: same here. Early days

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. hey Del! Sorry.. didn’t mean to ignore ya there .

Stacicle: Oh the Campfire Grrls, that brings back memories.

wolvie_dk: xena got me started with femslash waaaay back in … ’96

alannasky: Welcome Wonderful Del!!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: yepper Wolvie…. I started in Xena too… it was an eye opener

Stacicle: Me too, wolvie, my first fandom ever.

Gin Akasarahsmom: technically Star Trek was my first fandom… but for online reading… it was Xena

wolvie_dk: oh good. don’t feel quite so old now

AlexReading: yes, more specifically MissyGood.

Del Robertson: i started reading xena – then writing- and haven’t left her yet

Ceridwyn2: I remember watching "A Day in the Life" and my father came down the stairs and goes, "Is this a lesbian show?" well, yes.


Ceridwyn2: it was at the point where X&G were in the hot tub

Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t think I read Missy first… I read other things… then found Missy’s stuff

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… yes… yes it is Dad… why do you ask??

alannasky: funny my parents were never clue in to the show

AlexReading: Is Dax here? I totally blame Dax for her site.

Ceridwyn2: I was out at the time, so it didn’t matter to them

Ceridwyn2: LMAO

Gin Akasarahsmom: mine were… but they didn’t like the idea so they chose to ignore it… rofl.. Dad had an easier time ignoring it than mom did

Del Robertson: did you have to explain the ‘kiss’ to them?

Ceridwyn2: To the parentals? No, as they didn’t watch the show. Neither of them were into SF/F stuff

Del Robertson: favorite episodes?

alannasky: i think most it was the time when mom was home at times but mostly she had recently gotten a new job so i usually watch the show without parental supervision

Gin Akasarahsmom: One Against an Army… and The Price

Ceridwyn2: Even tho it was angsty – "The Quest"

wolvie_dk: OAAA

Gin Akasarahsmom: good one Ceri

Ceridwyn2: But OAAA was great

ponyis1: I started reading classic Xena and still enjoy it, but find that the new stories that flesh out some of the minor characters are the most fun to read.

Del Robertson: For me, almost anything with Amazons. (except Amarice)

alannasky: too many to choose from

Gin Akasarahsmom: I only wrote three Xena stories… and they were all classified Conqueror

Ceridwyn2: I loved how Melissa fleshed out the Amazon characters

alannasky: but i always wathcing is there a doctor in the house

erinoreilly: can’t remember the name but it was the one where they had lice and the mange

Gin Akasarahsmom: Amazons are fun to write

Ceridwyn2: Well, any character

Ceridwyn2: Loved Ephiny & Solari

Del Robertson: @ponyis1: which minor characters do you prefer?

AlexReading: @rinoreilly nooo, not that one. but that was just x&G being totally married.

ponyis1: Ahhh, Pony!

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… I was gonna say…

Ceridwyn2: Eponin. Also good

Ceridwyn2: Callisto. Just because.

Del Robertson: @erin: in sickness and in hell is what you’re thinking of.

erinoreilly: thanks Del

alannasky: mmm…amazon-ephiny, traveling- joxer, random show up- toss between sal and autolytucus

Del Robertson: everytime i wath that with Gabrielle hanging her head off the bed while she interrogates that guy makes me gag

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah.. it’s gross

Del Robertson: watch that, i meant

Del Robertson: but hilarious. i like the comedy episodes best

Gin Akasarahsmom: the romantic ones are nice

alannasky: evi characters- hope and callisto

geekgrrllurking: callisto was my favourite too

Ceridwyn2: A Day in the Life was also awesome. When X&G are sitting by the pond as Hower goes to get sticks and they start talking about the attraction of the leathers

alannasky: lol

Del Robertson: and Gabrielle gets hit by the eel

ponyis1: Why do you think Xena fanfic has retained the popularity that it has?

alannasky: lolof

Ceridwyn2: and attracting a kinkier crowd

AlexReading: lol

Ceridwyn2: I think maybe because it was one of the first that didn’t shy away from strong female characters

Del Robertson: i think it’s beause it was one of the first shows out there that didn’t try to hide the attraction/chemistry between women

Gin Akasarahsmom: There is one where I think it’s Gabrielle’s birthday and they are going back to Amphipolis… when they get there Cyrene says something and Gabrielle scratches her nose and mumbles… "She’s your mom"… that is a "Yeah, they are SO married" moment for me.. LOL

erinoreilly: Del which character do you like writing for?

Del Robertson: I like Eponin, Ephiny and Solari. The big Amazon three.

Ceridwyn2: Oh, the one where Xena finds out she’s pregnant and Ares learns and asks who the father is – Gabrielle

Gin Akasarahsmom: of course it’s Gabrielle!

AlexReading: Gab and her smirks.

geekgrrllurking: it should have been Gabrielle

alannasky: its riding of the waves of emotions and not being afraid to tackle things head on

Ceridwyn2: I like when Ares learns to respect Gabrielle.

Ceridwyn2: He might not like the hold she has with Xena but he starts to respect her

Gin Akasarahsmom: I will never forgive him for messing up Xena’s plan and putting them in cold storage…

alannasky: ceri, u can lower that hand

Gin Akasarahsmom: he stole Eve’s childhood from Xena…

Ceridwyn2: Didn’t know it was still raised

Ceridwyn2: I pressed raise hand and unraise but it won’t go away

alannasky: true gin and no problem ceri

erinoreilly: do any of you authors ever think about publishing your stories with other names for the characters

alannasky: its unraise now

Gin Akasarahsmom: I was approached several times by publishers to change the names in my stories…

Gin Akasarahsmom: but I refused

Ceridwyn2: I thought of doing it with my Spooks story but not XWP

erinoreilly: why?

Gin Akasarahsmom: because they aren’t original characters… they ARE Xena and Gabrielle. changing the names felt wrong to me


erinoreilly: ok fair enough

AlexReading: @Gin *hug*

Del Robertson: i have thought of that, not w/xena, but some other characters

Ceridwyn2: one, they’re very short stories, and some of my earliest fic. not the best of what I have

Gin Akasarahsmom: I will write originals to publish

Gin Akasarahsmom: there’s time

erinoreilly: I just wondered if there was a market for the stories since most of them are outstanding reads

Del Robertson: I think if you have supporting characters that grow into thei own life, that’s okay

Del Robertson: their. my keyboard hates me today

alannasky: yeah there are a few that i have read and the authors have publish them

alannasky: though most were uber or alt reality

geekgrrllurking: I think the X/G stories are hard to turn into original fic, but the uber X/G fics are really original fics

Gin Akasarahsmom: many of the early published authors were Uber/AU stories of Xena…

AlexReading: most of them are xena ubers or rather originals posted on xena archives.

Ceridwyn2: I do love that Melissa was able to really distinguish Dar & Kerry as separate

ponyis1: Yet, new classic Xena is still very popular judging by the response of the Academy readers to Del’s Amazon stories. But so few writers are doing any classic Xena.

Gin Akasarahsmom: Missy’s is… The whole Tropical Storm series is a Xena Uber/AU

Gin Akasarahsmom: but yes… with good writing they become distinct and original

Del Robertson: @ponyis1:thanks.glad you read my stuff

Ceridwyn2: Gun Shy was another book I’d read but I can’t remember the author atm

Gin Akasarahsmom: sounds familiar

Ceridwyn2: that was an uber

erinoreilly: it is where most of us started to read these stories and I think they hold a special place for many readers.

Stacicle: Lori Lake I think

Ceridwyn2: yes, that’s it

geekgrrllurking: I think ubers are a good way for learning writers to figure out how to start to write original fic

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… fanfic is a great way to practice

Ceridwyn2: Where I get a number of them now is pdafiction.com

Stacicle: Tender is the Night, or Glass Houses as it was publishe, by Llachlan was another fave

geekgrrllurking: you still feel safe and familiar with the characters but you are stretching into new territory and plotting ideas

Stacicle: *published

ponyis1: That makes sense.

Gin Akasarahsmom: Xena started a lot of people’s writing careers

alannasky: true gin

AlexReading: @ Ceri the beginning, Accidental Love or Lucifer Rising.

shesgottaread: Gun Shy is by Lori L. Lake, iirc

erinoreilly: Del will you always write a Xena story even if you go to uber or original. I really love your stories

geekgrrllurking: @SGR Lucifer Rising is excellent!

alannasky: meow good stoirs

alannasky: stories

Ceridwyn2: I remember reading that

Del Robertson: I’ve written other stories, besides Xena. I have one published book abou pirates and my new publisher is helping me to expand my work

Gin Akasarahsmom: that’s cool Del

shesgottaread: Lucifer Rising is excellent! I only wish Ms. Bowers had finished her sequel

Ceridwyn2: very cool

alannasky: cool del…what is the title of the pirate one?

wolvie_dk: I read Accidental Love at least once a year. Love it

AlexReading: They were ubers, but Tiopa ki Lokota, an original was a good read too.

Ceridwyn2: who wrote accidental Love?

Del Robertson: Taming the Wolff.

Del Robertson: BL Miller wrote Accidental Love

AlexReading: BL Miller

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL.. wow.. all these names that I haven’t heard in ages

Ceridwyn2: Yes, now that sounds familiar

alannasky: TkL was a greeat read for me and i do go back to it at moments

AlexReading: oops, I think I spelt TKL wrong. sorry.

alannasky: i think i have read the other two also but cant remember right now

AlexReading: The late LJ Maas wrote None So Blind. *cry*

alannasky: ]meow i have read a lot of xena fics

Del Robertson: BL Miller wrote a lot of great classic xena

Ceridwyn2: Lzclotho, too, I think as well.

alannasky: LJ Maas…we miss you

Ceridwyn2: I also liked the Mel/Janice stories

alannasky: clotho and miller are good writers

erinoreilly: I think some of those earlier writers put todays authors to shame there were excellent stories

Gin Akasarahsmom: I cringe when I go back and look at my Xena stories

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

AlexReading: Bat Morda?

Ceridwyn2: me, too

Gin Akasarahsmom: WordWarrior

alannasky: in most cases corrcect erin

Ceridwyn2: I love long, well-written stories

erinoreilly: it is sad

alannasky: yeah erin

Del Robertson: sometimes, a short story can do the trick, too. if it’s got a good, tight ploot

alannasky: good long stories are good

Del Robertson: plot

Stacicle: Della Street and Ella Quince, ahhhh

Ceridwyn2: yes

Gin Akasarahsmom: yep

AlexReading: yes too.

alannasky: actually there is a good author right now who is writting long stories in the xena section

Del Robertson: Who?

alannasky: Della Street and Ella Quince…meow so many favorties

wolvie_dk: Mavis and Larisa have always been favorites of mine

Ceridwyn2: yeah? who?

AlexReading: *cough* we have to ask.

Ceridwyn2: And what arhcive?

Gin Akasarahsmom: I haven’t read any Xena stories in a very long time

Ceridwyn2: archive?

alannasky: let me check the name right now…and its in ffnet

Gin Akasarahsmom: and the tension mounts….

alannasky: silvermoonlight GJ

Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe

Del Robertson: so, what’s it about?

Ceridwyn2: Haven’t been there in ages

alannasky: she has few stories but each one is a bit long

alannasky: hell in one of them she adds aztec gods

alannasky: or he…dont know sex yet

alannasky: like to keep myself in suspense with this author

Del Robertson: I like the Academy of Bards site. They have so much Xena stuff archived

alannasky: too true del

Gin Akasarahsmom: I check MaryD’s Ausxip site every once in a while too

Gin Akasarahsmom: for the older things…

Ceridwyn2: writing these down in notepad for future reference

Gin Akasarahsmom: the Bard’s corner is a great place to find favorites

Del Robertson: I ran across the Xena Library one day

alannasky: as far the story im reading right now from him is based on the idea that xena is ruler of the world and gabrielle is the king of the lycans

erinoreilly: where did you find that Del

Del Robertson: I need to add passion and perfection to that list- since ralst published my very1st fanfic

Del Robertson: @erin:try yahoo search. it looks fairly new

Ceridwyn2: most present fic reading is B5 (Sel Vecanti’s "Reunion")

AlexReading: oh, I just checked, Xenafan.com is still there

Gin Akasarahsmom: sigh… I can’t get away from B5

Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s weird for me to read it anymore though

Gin Akasarahsmom: xenafan.com…. which site was that?

erinoreilly: ok thanks Del

alannasky: though gab is not the happy or forgiable girl as in other stories

Ceridwyn2: lol. this story is set during S5, with a focus on Ivanova after she leaves B5 for her own command

AlexReading: Tom’s Xena fan fiction archive. OLD stories.

Ceridwyn2: Oh, wow. I remember that archive

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah.. Ceri.. but that would almost be worse… because I know Claudia.. LOL.. so reading about her characters is often odd to me

erinoreilly: is it still around?

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah… Tom’s… they posted like part of one of my stories and then stopped taking submissions..

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

wolvie_dk: the Athenaeum is good, esp. for uber

Gin Akasarahsmom: All my stuff is on MaryD’s site though

alannasky: toms?

Ceridwyn2: I don’t think so. Well you could probably find it thru waybackmachine but I forget the original URL. You could probably google it

alannasky: sorry my comp kick me out so i have no idea what happen just a few min ago

Library_Rio: @Del Robertson, tanks for the mention of the Xena Library. Unfortunately it’s been down all day

AlexReading: the auto format let me download stories for my palm. those were the days, I didn’t have to do it myself.

Ceridwyn2: http://callspur.com/links/pages/Babylon_5/

Del Robertson: @gin: how do we find maryD’s site and your stuff?

Gin Akasarahsmom: www.ausxip.com

Gin Akasarahsmom: go to the Bard’s corner

AlexReading: maryD is a ausxip

Del Robertson: thanks.

Gin Akasarahsmom: and look up Gin

Gin Akasarahsmom: you need to read them in order though… for some reason they alphabetize them on the site…

Gin Akasarahsmom: Negotiations is first

Gin Akasarahsmom: then Complications…

Gin Akasarahsmom: Then Invitations

alannasky: yup

Library_Rio: AusXIP Bard’s Corner http://ausxip.com/fanfic.php

Del Robertson: Ohhh. I remember those.

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. yes… from a lifetime ago

Ceridwyn2: thank you

Gin Akasarahsmom: thanks for remembering though Del

AlexReading: how many years was that, Gin?

Gin Akasarahsmom: warning you now.. they are TOTALLY full of errors

Gin Akasarahsmom: about 13 I think

Gin Akasarahsmom: 12…13… something like that…

Gin Akasarahsmom: oh.. wait.. maybe 15!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: omg

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL

AlexReading: lol

Ceridwyn2: lol

Del Robertson: It’s hard to believe Xena is that old.

Ceridwyn2: 1991, was it?

Gin Akasarahsmom: to hell with Xena… I can’t believe I’M that old!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL

Ceridwyn2: LOL

alannasky: i have to ask the question…how did u take xena and gabrielle with the whole debt and hope saga…?

Gin Akasarahsmom: Xena is timeless…

Ceridwyn2: 1995

Ceridwyn2: 1995-2001

Gin Akasarahsmom: me personally? In my stories.. or what did I think of it in the series

alannasky: Like what was ur reaction to them and their decisions and the aftermath of everything?

Gin Akasarahsmom: in the stories I ignored it…

alannasky: think of the series

Gin Akasarahsmom: I thought it was resolved too quickly

Del Robertson: i liked that better than the idea-arc

Gin Akasarahsmom: and glossed over

Del Robertson: sorry. India-arc

Ceridwyn2: The Rift – yes resolved quickly in that Bitter Suite musical eo

Ceridwyn2: ep

AlexReading: I think in general – in fanfic, it never existed.

Gin Akasarahsmom: for example… when they went to Dahok’s temple in Bitter Suite.. Gabrielle said "This is where it started…" But I’ve been told that in some of the overseas versions she says "This is where Dahok raped me." which is actually what happened

Del Robertson: And there were never any ramifications for kidnapping an Amazon Queen?

Gin Akasarahsmom: They woudn’t have been able to do anything.. because Gabrielle would have stood up for Xena

Del Robertson: I mean, Xena rode in, broke the regent’s arm, kidnapped the Queen — and the amazons should just forget that?

alannasky: maybe resolve a bit but not completely…plus when later hope shows up again

alannasky: true del

Gin Akasarahsmom: they won’t forget… but they can’t do anything about it

Gin Akasarahsmom: Missy deals with that

Gin Akasarahsmom: in her stories

Gin Akasarahsmom: Xena is on VERY hostile ground for a long time after that point in the story

alannasky: true with that gin and the whole rape thing

Gin Akasarahsmom: wow… 7 minutes left

alannasky: yeah…2 hours would have been great with this

Ceridwyn2: Gin, I agree with the not forgetting, but remembering who their queen’s champion is, and the fact that Xena has beaten them many times, it would take one hell of a strong Amazon or God to put XWP down for good

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL.. time does fly.

AlexReading: @Gin, this is the last panel for the rm? keep on talking.

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes..

Ceridwyn2: And then they would have to deal with Gabrielle and pissed off Gabrielle is something to behold

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… that is true Alex… they may want us to move to room 1 though… we’ll see

alannasky: yeah

ponyis1: I know that they were the heroes of the series but sometimes I think they were made out to be too perfect.

Ceridwyn2: Then there’s Lao Ma. Sigh

Del Robertson: @ponyis1: true.

AlexReading: WH is in rm1. so no move there.

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol.. Lao Ma was an annoyance

Gin Akasarahsmom: we’ll see

ponyis1: Seems no one could survive for five minutes without Xena saving them

Gin Akasarahsmom: anyway… they were quite good at what they did

Del Robertson: Lao Ma did help change Xena from punk to warrior

alannasky: i just never swallow completely the whole forginess

AlexReading: She did have many skills. lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: but they had to be.. or they’d have been killed in the first episode and the show would be over

Del Robertson: There’s a difference between being a hero and being "too" perfect

Gin Akasarahsmom: true… I think that Xena was supposed to be ‘flawed’ at the beginning… but as soon as she turned into a hero they didn’t want her that way anymore

Gin Akasarahsmom: which is odd.. because flawed heros are the best

Del Robertson: I think she was still flawed throughout the series. But, Gabrielle would forgive her anything

alannasky: true gin

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… gabrielle was TOO forgiving at times

shesgottaread: thanks for a great panel, everyone

Gin Akasarahsmom: wow… yep.. that’s our time.

alannasky: yup yup

Gin Akasarahsmom: Great Chat everyone!

alannasky: good times

Gin Akasarahsmom: nice walk down memory lane

AlexReading: thank you all. great panel. and happy reading.

alannasky: yes it was

wolvie_dk: Indeed. This really should happen more often

Del Robertson: Gonna go watch old eps and count the numberof times Xena calls out ‘Gabrielle’

Gin Akasarahsmom: I can’t be online all day more than once a year… my family will kill me LOL

quietheartedfsc: if everyone will move to room 1 for the wrap up

Gin Akasarahsmom: yep..

ponyis1: That was great. would have like more time.

alannasky: ok going to room 1 then

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