Sex

the_dhamphir: Sex! This is the room I want. *G*

Gin Akasarahsmom: Hehehe

Gin Akasarahsmom: I suppose it is time

bearblue:

raiderl_1: I second that damphir!

beachbum3668: Hello again

Gin Akasarahsmom: will the panelists please change their text to red…

bearblue: technically

Shatterpath: Ariestess is locked up again, so she’ll be here soon

the_dhamphir: and all others in black please

ariestess: Panelists, please change your font to bold red [like mine]. Everyone else, please use black text…

Gin Akasarahsmom: hello AJ

ariestess: Okay, first the ground rules. You MUST raise your hand for questions. The mods [those of us with an @ in front of our names] will keep track of the questions for everyone.

AlexReading: Shatterpath, just thrw her the keys.

bearblue: lol

jazwriter: I’m keeping an eye on this room in case you provide some good tips..

ariestess: Panelists, please introduce yourselves. I’ll go first. I’m AJ, aka ariestess, aka A. Magiluna Stormwriter. I’m your moderator for this panel. I’ve written a lot of sex in fic over the years.

quietheartedfsc: aj…sgr is on her way back…

Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m Gin… I was told to be here. I’ve written some sex scenes.. and I hate writing them.. SO difficult.

IvyMars: lol

beachbum3668: I’m BeachBum and I write Mirandy and J/7 fanfic

beachbum3668: and I’d rather have root canal surgery without anaesthesia than write a sex scene

bearblue: bearblue or katrina and yeah fan fiction with love scenes

Gin Akasarahsmom: exactly BB…

Alkmaion: hello again

alannasky: meow hi again

bearblue:

IvyMars: hi guys

raiderl_1: Hey everyone!

Shatterpath: I used to be able to write smokin’ hot smut, but that muse has appearantly retired

jazwriter: I like writing the sex scenes…lol

raiderl_1: Love writing the sex scenes!

bearblue: she’s just resting

beachbum3668: We always knew you weren’t right in the head Jazzy

angelrose28:

IvyMars: yes you did shatter

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…

jazwriter: *pouts*

Gin Akasarahsmom: Can I ask the readers a question?

Gin Akasarahsmom: is that allowed?

Shatterpath: the gift will return, but not for now. Alas!

beachbum3668: We love you…but you’re just not right

bearblue: gotta recuperate when its smokin’

Shatterpath: ask awy, Gin

ariestess: Go for it, Gin!

alannasky: lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: When you’re reading a fic… what makes a good sex scene for you? I mean… what makes it…work, for you?

Gin Akasarahsmom: Because I’ve read some that I was just like…. eh…

Gin Akasarahsmom: and some that I was like… "Oh!" LOL

lotophaga: @Gin – it needs to be contextual, well-thought out, IC and have the right level of explicitness and feel.

raiderl_1: I think there needs to be connection first and foremost between characters

ivanolix: I want to feel like the characters are *really* aroused. Like, the specific act doesn’t matter as much as the characters’ reactions

Kaqlittle: believe ability

Otakugamer01: not having to try to figure out why some people in fics seem to magically have a third arm

AlexReading: there goes the arm.

bearblue: lol

AlexReading: lol

synergyfox: @gin for it to be physically possible to do something…

raiderl_1: Oh yeah, no bending backwards!

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

Shatterpath: yes

alannasky: the aroused part and the connection

AlexReading: quit talking so much!

ariestess: For me, as both a reader and a writer, it’s got to be physically possible or it just doesn’t work.

beachbum3668: Gin, I think you hit a nerve with them

Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe

ivanolix: Of course physically possible…you don’t necessarily know that if you haven’t tried every sex act before LOL

Gin Akasarahsmom: looks like it

raiderl_1: No super clinical descriptions or using the same word over and over and over

ariestess: LOL!

IvyMars: lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: okay.. so.. physically possible. Got it

Shatterpath: some conversation is okay, if it’s really pertinent, otherwise it just starts sounding like cheezy porn

bearblue: unless, of course, they do have a third arm or mobile tail or really long tongue or…. shuttin up now

lotophaga: @ariestess: how are the realms of physical possibility affected by sci – fi/fantasy

synergyfox: I picutre it in my head and sometmies… when the knee ends up behind the head and the elbow is where the foot was a sentence ago…

beachbum3668: How about realistic? I mean, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t know ANYBODY who can reach an orgasm in 17 floors on an elevator

geekgrrllurking: I was so busy writing smut, I almost missed the sex panel. Hi panel!

IvyMars: super clinical only works for Dr. Isles

Shatterpath: BB- been there, done that

raiderl_1: YES! to super long tongues bear!

synergyfox: Wait… an orgasm in 17 floors?

Shatterpath: yep, that’s Geek alright

AlexReading: like the Magic Baby?

ariestess: @loto :: That still works within that scifi/fantasy character’s physical limitations.

raiderl_1: Ivy – LOL!

ariestess: LOL @ Geek!

AlexReading: ;p;

AlexReading: lol

beachbum3668: sure….Miranda and Andy get on the elevator on floor 17 and by the time they reach the lobby they’ve both come twice

Shatterpath: Lotaphaga- that’s a good one!

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol.. BB

AlexReading: in how many sentences did they do it?

ivanolix: Twice may be an exaggeration but…um…TMI but once is not impossible

synergyfox: Definately not impossible.

Otakugamer01: for scifi/fantasy you get a lot more leeway…put just keep track of where everything is…

ariestess: @beach :: TWICE in 17 floors? Yeah, not so much…

ariestess: Unless they pulled a Gibbs and halted the elevator.

raiderl_1: maybe the elevator got stuck?

beachbum3668: Starting out cold?

bearblue: unless the elevator got hung up

beachbum3668: Nope, no halting the elevator

beachbum3668: I mean come on

ivanolix: IDK my wife can go from 0 to 60 in like 3 seconds

Shatterpath: I think as long as the author sets up the rules inside of their universe, we can keep track. EG- the Wonderwand 2000

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…

geekgrrllurking: I think we need to remember that we are writing idealized sex scenes, so of course it’s wonderful and perfect and can happen twice in the elevator

raiderl_1: Huh. Yeah I can see one each but really.

bearblue: then there is the camerea aspect, but hey… some like being watched…

yurianimeotaku: @beach My ex-wife can in two floors.

AlexReading: @aj, there were a lot of stuck turbo lifts where 7o9 was around, Voy has only how many levels?

olli01a: At least they didn’t come on every floor

synergyfox: @ivanolix I’m sorry babe, you’re just too sexy for my own good.

beachbum3668: Only model 2000? My characters use the 9000 model

lotophaga: @ otaku Spec fic needs consistency – so it’s important for the writer to set out what non-human characters can and cannot do. It makes it more interesting when said non-human characters are sexually distinct from humans, too.

AlexReading: lol

geekgrrllurking: the challenge as a writer is to make it believible and I hope, meaningful

Shatterpath: actually, Voyager was quite huge

raiderl_1: beach – can’t someone invent at least the 1000 model in RL?

beachbum3668: I live in hope

ariestess: @alex :: Very true…

ivanolix: @geek Though I find sex scenes hotter if there are realistic little problems like in RL sex

Gin Akasarahsmom: Non-humans rarely have compatable … parts

bearblue:

geekgrrllurking: @ivan I agree, it makes it more human and I think interesting for the reader

IvyMars: I love clutzy sex

beachbum3668: They may not have compatible parts but there’s certainly a lot of canoodling going on anyway

bearblue: but then they learn its not always about parts

raiderl_1: I appreciate when say, in the HP universe, that the writer accounts for the gifts that the magical persons have and uses them to full benefit (wink at jazzy)

Gin Akasarahsmom: you think small problems make it more relateable?

geekgrrllurking: and interesting for the writer, I mean tab a into slot b gets boring after awhile

yurianimeotaku: @Gin Apparently in the Mass Effect fandom, Cmdr Shepard is compatible with all alien life.

ivanolix: @geek At least in an established pairing. Like if they fall off the couch, or there’s a leg cramp, or someone just bursts out giggling…it adds intimacy

bearblue: nods

beachbum3668: I WANT THAT DAMNED BOOK JAZZY!!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… of course

bearblue: i get that

Shatterpath: true, intimacy is an excellent hook

lotophaga: @yuri : it must be convergent evolution

jazwriter: Sorry, I’m not right in the head–can’t find it

ariestess: If you have questions, feel free to raise your hand!

ariestess: We won’t bite. Unless you ask us to.

raiderl_1: Yes, intimacy is the sexiest thing of all.

ariestess: ITA, raider!

Gin Akasarahsmom: Personally I have problems writing scenes like that because it’s difficult not to make them sound all the same

geekgrrllurking: @ivan, exactly, it makes the characters more relateable

Gin Akasarahsmom: I need to make them different each time

beachbum3668: I’ve always felt there’s a world of difference between making love and fucking

AlexReading: intimacy is good, but pleas don’t cry at every other…

ivanolix: The more perfect the sex scene, the more it feels like staged porn. But make it feel real, and in-character, and suddenly you’re in the chracters’ heads and that’s *really* hot

geekgrrllurking: the best sex is between the ears

Shatterpath: that’s a big reason I went 1st person

ariestess: Amen, Geek!

beachbum3668: It’s much harder to write a making love scene because of the emotional resonances that are inherently a part of it

bearblue: sometimes you just have to accept it will be the same and write it any way

ariestess: And yuri has the first question.

geekgrrllurking: what are they thinking, feeling, as they touch and peel layers away on that elevator

bearblue: or fade to black

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… emotions have to be a huge part of it. I don’t think I could write them just fucking

Shatterpath: and we the writers should know those characters well, to portray them well in what can be a difficult thing to write

yurianimeotaku: Do the panelists "act out" some of the more "complicated" scenes to make sure they work?

raiderl_1: But, people who are intimate may also have moments when it’s all about the fucking

jazwriter: but I might find the book for raider

Gin Akasarahsmom: my characters have to have an emotional connection before I can write a scene like that…

beachbum3668: I don’t. It’s all between my ears.

raiderl_1: THANK U!!!

Shatterpath: Sex bored me in RL

ariestess: @yuri :: It depends…

ivanolix: "Just fucking" scenes can work if there’s denial going on, or an aftermath of thinking about what just happened

IvyMars: I agree with raider

bearblue: I at least check for… navigation to make sure it makes sense

ariestess: LOL @ bear

Shatterpath: *giggles* Navigation…

geekgrrllurking: @bear yes, I’m always losing track of limbs

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… I don’t ‘act it out’… but I do sort of close my eyes and ‘visualize’ it… okay.. she does that.. then she’ll do this… and then what happens… oh.. okay.. that would work..

AlexReading: lol

IvyMars: there is something to be said for angry sex

raiderl_1: LMAO! Bear!

ariestess: My muses give me porn movies in the back of my head. I just try to write what they’re doing.

AlexReading: oops Gin, TMI

Shatterpath: yeah, i have a tv screen in my mind’s eye that lets me be the director

raiderl_1: I don’t think I’ve ever written angry sex.

ariestess: The Muse Cave is always rockin’..

bearblue:

IvyMars: you should try raider

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. TMI? I was just answering the question

Shatterpath: damn those damp cave florrs….

raiderl_1: Hmm, maybe I will. Next story!

yurianimeotaku: @Ivy A lesbian fiction author friend and I were trying to list all the different "types" of sex (ie, drunk sex, angry sex, make-up sex, etc…)

ariestess: And ivanolix has the next question.

beachbum3668: How any did you come up wiht?

ivanolix: How do the panelists deal with the pronoun problem of both characters being "her"? And have you ever written a f/f/f sex scene?

IvyMars: lol

raiderl_1: yuri how many u come up/

bearblue: names

Shatterpath: 1st person

Gin Akasarahsmom: names help

bearblue: use the names

raiderl_1: Definitely names

ariestess: I write in first person. And I’ve written up to — I have a femslash OT4.

yurianimeotaku: @raider 5, so far.

Gin Akasarahsmom: and no.. never written f/f/f

Shatterpath: I can’t even think outside 1st person any more

beachbum3668: Yup, I agree with bearblue…you have to use names occasionally

raiderl_1: As for f/f/f yes but never posted it

lotophaga: @ bear and gin: thanks. When I beta, that’s always my advice.

ariestess: But I do use names, too. And occasional nicknames and such.

bearblue: nods

raiderl_1: five. gotta b more than that I’d think

geekgrrllurking: unique character traits can help identify, blonde, brunette redhead

bearblue: read out loud too

beachbum3668: also works…ex Miranda Priestly has iconic silver hair

ivanolix: Oh god reading sex scenes out loud

yurianimeotaku: @raider There probably is, but she’s in the middle of promoting her new book, so communication is sporadic at best.

ariestess: @Geek :: That’s true, but you also have to be careful because your POV character may not consider their partner[s] with that same kind of terminology.

bearblue: if it doesn’t make sense when you read it….

Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t read them out loud

raiderl_1: yes geekgrl but it needs to flow for me, not say just "the blonde then…"

ariestess: I don’t read them out loud either.

bearblue: so descriptives and names and personal quirks

raiderl_1: LOL

beachbum3668: I’m like Gin…I close my eyes and visualize the scene

beachbum3668: Actually, choreograph it is probably more correct in tems of what I do

ariestess: Go ahead again, yuri

lotophaga: @ bear :: i’d say a good sex scene has the reader instinctively know who’s doing what without too much ID required.

yurianimeotaku: How about "names" for body parts? Do you use them?

raiderl_1: Choreograph is a good way of seeing it I think

Gin Akasarahsmom: my stories are often like movies.. playing in my head.. so I just try to convey what I see

bearblue: oh i visualize, but sound check is my logistics friend

beachbum3668: Yuri…defiine "names"

Gin Akasarahsmom: words I do not use: Pussy… cunt… clitoris.. labia

ariestess: @yuri :: I use terminology that my characters would use.

Gin Akasarahsmom: too gross.. and/or clinical

ariestess: @Gin :: I use all of them and more.

beachbum3668: I’ll use labia occasionally

bearblue: @iota that works with two people, sure

yurianimeotaku: @beach Like "lady garden," "goddess flower," etc…

raiderl_1: names tend to get too clinical

ivanolix: I use all of those except labia, depending on the scene and character

AlexReading: @Gin, unless u’re Maura Isles.

beachbum3668: No, I don’t ever get THAT flowery

bearblue: but three or four…. gotta track those hands

ariestess: I try to steer clear of the purple prose as much as possible.

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. okay.. yes.. unless I’m writing Maura

ivanolix: Some characters are more graphic in their heads than others

raiderl_1: ohhh. euphanisms.

beachbum3668: Lousy prose is lousy prose, doesn’t matter what kind of a scene its in

geekgrrllurking: I shy away from clinical, but ‘ass’ and ‘clit’ work, big no to the flowery wording

bearblue: but i like jewel analogies…

raiderl_1: Yes, geek, agree with both

bearblue: depends on the scene and author

Gin Akasarahsmom: often times I’ll be thrown out of the story because of terms that are too clinical… or… crass… but that is just me

yurianimeotaku: @bear Jewel?

ariestess: @bear :: Exactly.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I know everyone is different

bearblue: sweet pearl

lotophaga: I think the terminology used depends both on the POV and the context (angry / passionate / slow-burning sex etc.)

bearblue: lovely ruby

raiderl_1: I like when a writer writes about the effect upon certain parts

raiderl_1: Yes, loto, context!

ariestess: Alex, you have the next question.

ivanolix: Me too, raider

raiderl_1:

AlexReading: thanks. do writers check how many sex scenes they write in a fic, especially long one, or just go with the flow, MUST do every chapter etc?

raiderl_1: Definitely go with the flow. so to speak.

mandygirl78: I go with the flow.

bearblue: go with the flow

ivanolix: Yeah, it’s different with every fic

ariestess: @alex :: I let the characters guide the story where it needs to go. If that means a lot of sex, fine. IF it doesn’t, also fine.

Gin Akasarahsmom: go with it… when the characters feel like it…

beachbum3668: whatever works for that particular story arc.

bearblue: it has to feel right to be right

geekgrrllurking: sometimes your not planning a scene and the characters almost demand it, lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes

AlexReading: some read like it’s out of place at times.

bearblue: yep

ivanolix: What do you mean almost, geek? Characters totally insert themselves into unplanned scenes

bearblue: or you are planning the scene and it goes poof

raiderl_1: I’ve had that happen katrina, didn’t think the characters would get there for several more chapters then all of a sudden, holy shit!

geekgrrllurking: you’re writing a lovely romantic scene and you think, great it’s going to be so lovely and sweet and then BAM, Olivia pounces on Natalia and hello smexy times

ariestess: LOL!

bearblue: lol

beachbum3668: I know whqt you mean, Alex. You’re reading along and suddenly the characters are fucking their brains out. you hit "PageUp" to see what you missed

ivanolix: Pouncing is the best

bearblue: yep

ariestess: Or you’re planning for smexy times and the muses say "Nope! We want to talk about all the feeeeeeeeeeeelings we have!"

AlexReading: yes, beach, and u page down too.

lotophaga: @ Ivan: couldn’t agree more

bearblue: lol

geekgrrllurking: @aj exactly!

bearblue: or they bring in the distrations

beachbum3668: the story dictates what has to happen

beachbum3668: Of course, when you’re writing PWP, anything goes

ariestess: I used to try to outline and plan my stories. And then my muses got their own grubby, dirty little hands into the mix and I’ve learned to just go with their flow.

bearblue: yay pwp

raiderl_1: a lot of the times it’s because there’s been resistance and the "pouncing" is because one of them totally breaks!

ariestess: trudat!

beachbum3668: yeah, but that follows the storyline raider

bearblue: nods @ ariestess

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

raiderl_1: well hopefully it does!

raiderl_1: but u r right, when it’s just out of the blue it’s like WTF?

ivanolix: I also love fics where the characters just tease each other until one of them can’t bear it anymore and pounces

AlexReading: lol

ariestess: Go ahead, yuri!

yurianimeotaku: For the authors who write for fandoms with underage (under 18) characters, how do you handle sex scenes?

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… when one resists for as long as possible…

Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t. I would age the character past the age of consent

Alkmaion: @aries Is that what they call sub-musive’? *g*

beachbum3668: I don’t. call me a dinosaur but I leave the kids out of the sex mix

bearblue: what gin said

raiderl_1: No underage

ariestess: @yuri :: I don’t normally write sex for underage characters.

beachbum3668: Nope…that’s just squicky

Gin Akasarahsmom: for instance.. if I were to write HP… my pairing would be Hermionie/Minerva… but Hermione would be older, divorced from Ron and probably have two children

ariestess: There are characters that have it in their backgrounds, but I don’t dwell on it in detail.

ariestess: @alk :: LOL! Yeah, something like that.

ivanolix: I age it up if I have to write a sex scene. I know underage people have sex, but in that case I just leave it offscreen.

Shatterpath: won’t get near underage characters.

raiderl_1: in some fandoms though, like Glee, it’s all underage but then their the same age and exploring sexuality and I think a lot of the writers are that age too. so different

AlexReading: techically, the 17 is underage. and gets paired with a 19yo?

bearblue: nods at ivan

geekgrrllurking: no sex underage, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have touching and feeling, the emotions are all still there, I personally just don’t want to go all the way

raiderl_1: Yes gin, agree

ariestess: I have a couple of OCs that got into the BDSM scene as minors. I do write about what effect it had on them, but not the actual sex.

Alkmaion: Offscreen is a good idea. Sometimes I get the feeling a lot of these underage sex writers do it for the squick factor

ivanolix: Although interesting point, the age of consent is 16 in a lot of US states. Did not know that until recently.

yurianimeotaku: @raider Yes, Glee is a good example of what I’m talking about.

mandygirl78: underage sex, that’s a tricky one.

Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s canon on Glee that Britney and Santana are having sex… but I would never write that…

Gin Akasarahsmom: it is Santana right?

AlexReading: that is not too huge a age gap, and age of consent varies.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I haven’t watched that in so long..

beachbum3668: yup

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

raiderl_1: I wouldn’t either Gin but that’s just not where I’m at as a writer too.

Gin Akasarahsmom: the best thing about being a writer is that you can write what you want to.

raiderl_1: Yup!

beachbum3668: And that’s why i write about grownups

geekgrrllurking: @gin amen

bearblue: age of consent or fade to black or an aging up somehow before love scenes for me

ariestess: I think a high proportion of the writers of underage sex are underage themselves and/or trying to deal with aspects of their own minority.

raiderl_1: Grownups are more complex and as for HP stories most all of my faves have Hermione in her twenties

bearblue: agrees

beachbum3668: that’s what the back seat of a chevy is for, isn’t it?

bearblue: lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: true… there are a LOT of underage writers

geekgrrllurking: lol

beachbum3668: LOL…sorry: couldn’t resist

raiderl_1: LOL

yurianimeotaku: @Gin And a lot of underage readers

ariestess: LOL @ beach

AlexReading: readers!

Gin Akasarahsmom: that is true too Yuri

ivanolix: I was underage when I started writing sex scenes, but I never wrote with underage characters

ariestess: And angharad_gov has the next question.

angharad_gov: which do you favor more as both writer and reader, fade-to-black or highly descriptive sex scenes?

ariestess: Good question!

bearblue: thus disclainers

ariestess: For me, it REALLY depends on my muses, the characters in the story, and the story itself.

raiderl_1: lots of disclaimers – I learned from the best Katrina!

Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m very much fade-to-black…

Shatterpath: I’ve enjoyed both

ariestess: *snerks* I get bitched at for my disclaimers/header section.

beachbum3668: I go with Alfred Hitchcock on that one. build up your characters, set the scene, put everything in motion and…fade to black. because the audience’s imagination is ALWAYS better that what you can put on the screen.

geekgrrllurking: I think I almost perfer fade to black over a very clinical/flowery/detailed sex scene. Depends on the sex scene I guess

mandygirl78: depends on the story.

raiderl_1: Explicit but I enjoy both as there’s a time and place; context again

Gin Akasarahsmom: some description is nice sometimes.. but many times my imagination can beat anything someone graphically writes

yurianimeotaku: @raider How much do you put in the disclaimer before you’ve ruined the story?

AlexReading: reader – fadetoblack works these days, after so many years of reading fanfic, they can get tedious.

raiderl_1: that’s a hard balance because so many have squiks but at same time don’t want to give it all away. Like "spanking"

bearblue: both epending on scene. does it add too the story? is it respectful of the characters? its in

wolvie_dk: depends if the author is good writing the highly descriptive scenes, otherwise fade-to-black

Gin Akasarahsmom: someone once thanked me for not having my characters having sex every other page.. LOL

raiderl_1: It’s better sometimes if some is a surprise

beachbum3668: My disclaimer says if you can’t handle two adults in a cimmitted relationship go somewhere and read something else

bearblue: does fading mean i’ll get more writing done?, then fade

ariestess: LOL @ Bear

yurianimeotaku: @Gin LOL.

raiderl_1: I was doing that beach but last year on this forum I had a lot of folks counselling that I should really disclaim it all

Gin Akasarahsmom: fade to black is often how I see it… because of that movie I told you about playing in my head… if it fades out in the movie, it fades out in the story…

ivanolix: I like AO3’s way of handling disclaimers. Everything is a tag so you can both appeal to people who find (for instance) spanking a really hot kink, and warn away people who it squicks

bearblue: mods

beachbum3668: I had a reader comment once that my story was the "most romantic fic every…without any romance in it."

girlwithuglyshoes: hi everyone!

yurianimeotaku: @ivan AO3?

ivanolix: archiveofourown.org

raiderl_1: Can

raiderl_1: Can’t get on AO3 until at least october!

ariestess: @ivan :: I SO agree with you on that! I really like how you can do that.

mandygirl78: Yeah, AO3 has a lot of options.

AlexReading: u@beach, do u still disclaim for "two adults in a cimmitted relationship" pretty much granted these days, if ur stories is in f/f section.

synergyfox: @raider why not?

beachbum3668: yeah, I disclaim right after I give the usual "no infringement intended or profit made" speech

ariestess: So here’s a question for the panelists. What would you like to learn how to write re: sex scenes.

ariestess: @geek :: I"ll get you next.

raiderl_1: There’s a waiting list to get a writer’s account

beachbum3668: I’d like it to be easier.

ivanolix: yeah AO3 has been having server issues

Gin Akasarahsmom: I would just like them to be easier!

Gin Akasarahsmom: ROFL… BB

ariestess: LOL! Yeah, besides that, you two!

raiderl_1: After the blow up at ff.net everyone was trying to get on it in case their work was banned

Shatterpath: i’d like the knack back…

bearblue: if I could translate straight from brain to screen in a meanungful way…lol

AlexReading: sld have done at way back b4 the blowup.

beachbum3668: Ummm….a really, REALLY good online thesaurus?

Gin Akasarahsmom: I would like to know how to make them more explicit, without making them…. squicky

ariestess: @bear :: I want that, too!

yurianimeotaku: @raider I was wondering when all the underage reading was going to get them in trouble.

ariestess: @beach :: I agree!

bearblue: especially right now. one hand typing is tedious

raiderl_1: LOL bear!

beachbum3668: Can I air a pet peeve pf mine?

Gin Akasarahsmom: sure

lotophaga: Fanfic has a tendency to make sex scenes "stick out" – as characters and settings are already described, there is little need for further exposition, so I find fanfics very dialogue heavy compared to original fiction

ariestess: Go for it@

raiderl_1: yeah yuri, but if they’d just do a few tweaks they’d not have the issue. sigh.

bearblue: nods at gin metoo

beachbum3668: AJ? Was that a green light for me?

ariestess: @beach ;; You are after Geek’s question.

ariestess: Geek, go!

geekgrrllurking: With ffnet clamping down on its mature ratings, is there an archive site that the panelists prefer to post to? More freedom as it were to share the lovin’

beachbum3668: k…thanks

mandygirl78: AdultFanfiction?

AlexReading: lol

raiderl_1: There is adultfanfiction.net but it’s basically a porn site, not somewhere I fit so not comfortable.

beachbum3668: I just post to my own websites

Gin Akasarahsmom: I post on LJ and fanfiction.net… if they don’t like it and it down then that’s up to them

yurianimeotaku: @mandy That site is just so "sketchy."

ariestess: @Geek :: I don’t know. AO3 works for me. But I’ve also got SSP with its own set of rules.

bearblue: post to my own site again… dreamwidth maybe andsomeday AO3

mandygirl78: yeah, when I went to aff, it turned me off.

bearblue: agrees w/ gin

geekgrrllurking: does that limit your readership? lessens attracting new readers?

bearblue: that is an issue

beachbum3668: I post on LJ that I’m updating my websites

ariestess: *nods* It’s definitely an issue.

raiderl_1: Was hoping to get work up on AO3 but we’ll see. I like ff.net as it’s easy. not bcause i m lazy with html (ok i m) but because I’ve got so much going on elsewhere i don’t have time for a site.

beachbum3668: and on a couple of other forums

Shatterpath: we are having a much harder time finding one another as time goes by

Gin Akasarahsmom: I dunno… it seems I have several readers

bearblue: pretty sure people find more accidental fic on known fic sites

yurianimeotaku: @Gin How does LJ handle mature material on their site?

jazwriter: of course you do, Gin!

AlexReading: @geek if you can’t find archive yet, just goto googledoc temporary.

ariestess: I crosspost my fics on DW, LJ, and AO3 currently. And I update SSP when I get the time [and with a HUGE overhaul looming over my head, I tend to shy away from it].

Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t know that they do… anything I’ve ever posted has been left there

beachbum3668: I’ve never had a proble on LJ

bearblue: they have blow ups now and then

mandygirl78: I haven’t tried Dreamwidth yet, since LJ, FF.net and AO3 is a lot on my plate.

bearblue: but with filters much calmer

Gin Akasarahsmom: I like it simple… post in one or two places.. then possibly just link to it on other places

geekgrrllurking: @alex, actually I archive almost exclusively on LJ, with P&P and Shatterstorm Prod. as backup. Although I like AO3 it’s a little hard to navigate, but that could just be me. I don’t like ff.net at all actually

Gin Akasarahsmom: my hard drive is my backup

raiderl_1: why don’t u like ff.net geekgrl? curious.

beachbum3668: I have several flashdrives that never leave my possession

Shatterpath: i

ariestess: @beach :: Share you pet peeve.

bearblue:

Shatterpath: I love AO3!

beachbum3668: I learned my lesson the hard way on that one

raiderl_1: I’ve backed up on three computers, a flash drive and Drop Box

ariestess: I don’t like FF.net either, but I LOVE AO3.

beachbum3668: my pet peeve: SPELLCHECK AND EDIT YOUR WORK!!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl…

geekgrrllurking: well, first of all the rating/censorship, when I signed up originally it gave me pause that I could be censored, which is now happening over there with writers, also I have a hard time navigating around

ariestess: @beach :: THANK YOU! That’s my biggest pet peeve, too.

raiderl_1: I still find AO3 hard to navigate but maybe that’s just me.

mandygirl78: drop box is a godsend for me.

yurianimeotaku: @beach Isn’t that what betas are for?

beachbum3668: Nothing sends me running for cover more than a fic that is full os grammar and spelling and punctuation errore

wolvie_dk: amen, BB

bearblue: doesn’t always work, but thats why I read aloud

Boots1987: no it’s not just you, raider.

ariestess: Speaking of backups, if anyone wants an online backup with 5GB of space free, please PM me for details.

beachbum3668: Yeah, it is, yuri. Unfortunately, too many writers don’t use them

raiderl_1: God yes beach. Please goddess freaking spellcheck!!!

Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s not that difficult

bearblue: it makes me look at the text twice at least

geekgrrllurking: oh dear, the comma nazi’s are circling

ariestess: @Beach :: Or the people that list betas, but the story is STILL riddled with errors.

beachbum3668: "silence rained".

geekgrrllurking: thank god for betas

mandygirl78: it’s time for me to be quite

bearblue: yep

mandygirl78: quiet

beachbum3668: *banging head on desk*

ariestess: @Beach :: I have been asked to leave groups/communities because of my stance on betas.

raiderl_1: No, no. No comma nazi here – just sometimes it’s so bad I can’t read it.

beachbum3668: betas are absolutely essential to a writer.

ariestess: I fully and freely admit to being a comma/beta nazi. I just wish I could do it professionally for money.

Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s difficult to read stories that haven’t been properly spellchecked… but TWICE as hard to read sex scenes with glaring errors in them

jazwriter: I agree, Bech

beachbum3668: A hard-nosed beta will save you from your worst instincts

jazwriter: Beach

bearblue: if they actually beta

Boots1987: hmm, i’m pretty sure i’ve had grammatical errors and punctuation problems in my fanfiction. Nothing too extreme though.

geekgrrllurking: @aj lol, that’s why we love you so

jazwriter: I have some awesome betas

raiderl_1: My honey tends to be my beta.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I know I do

Gin Akasarahsmom: I have all kinds of errors in mine

Gin Akasarahsmom: but I’m working to correct that, in future stories

mandygirl78: I finally got some great betas. * Smiling at yuri*

beachbum3668: I have great betas. Even I when I whine at them

ariestess: And we have about 8 minutes left of this panel.

bearblue: some o mine simply like to read as I write, which is very ok

Gin Akasarahsmom: question for everyone

yurianimeotaku: @mandy You have a beta and an editor.

geekgrrllurking: a really great beta can teach a writer so much, it can be a very give/take thing. But finding a good beta is hard

raiderl_1: But a few mistakes aren’t what we’re talking here. At least not me. I can tolerate a lot, esp if English not first language, but sometimes it’s just too f-ed up

Gin Akasarahsmom: do you have a favorite sex scene? One that stands out in your head and makes you reread that story?

mandygirl78: @yuri – true indeed, i’m not compaining!

ariestess: A good beta is VERY hard to find and sometimes harder to keep.

beachbum3668: Yes, always play nice with your betas

ariestess: One of my favorite sex scenes is the tail sex scene from Shatterpath’s "Heroes" saga in BoP.

beachbum3668: favorite sex scene….hmmmmm

Kaqlittle: that ridiculous dress the scene in that one.

Shatterpath: 7 with Janeway over her desk. STILL hot after all these years

yurianimeotaku: @aj "tail sex scene?"

raiderl_1: a favorite sex scene isn’t even really a sex scene but a prelude. Chilly’s Five Minutes (I think that’s the one) when Miranda confronts Andy in the meeting room at her work. Sexy as hell.

Gin Akasarahsmom:

ariestess: @yuri :: If you go to AO3 and search for Shatterpath, you should find the Heroes saga under birds of prey for her. It’s a long story, but it’s fantastic.

AlexReading: @shatterpath hv to agree on that one.

beachbum3668: writtensword’s The Gentleman. I always have to go spalsh cold water on my face after I read that one

raiderl_1: Also, Gina Dartt wrote something and then removed it a long time ago – involved the Wonder Wand and it was all PWP. Hawt!

yurianimeotaku: @aj Thanks.

lotophaga: @Gin :: of the top of my head, the J/7 scene in "Sustenance" was uncommonly strong

Gin Akasarahsmom: cool

ariestess: @raider :: I didn’t think she removed that "Just Between" series…

Shatterpath: you and me both, Raider!

raiderl_1: Oh yeah, the Gentleman’s scene was really wow.

beachbum3668: Nope, you can still find ENDGAME on her site

AlexReading: @raider_1 Game’s End?

ariestess: All right, 5 minutes left. Final thoughts?

raiderl_1: It was in the follow up and it was a one shot

AlexReading: err, wrong title

raiderl_1: Yes, end game! it’s still there? cool!

beachbum3668: If you can’t….email me

jazwriter: raider’s It’s the Only Life You’ve Got Arc 1 has smoking sex scenes

Shatterpath: a bunch of us will be rereading, eh?

ariestess: Legend of the Seeker panel is coming up next in this room.

Gin Akasarahsmom: final thoughts….. Writing sex scenes is difficult… and I hate it… but often it needs to be done, for the story.

synergyfox: *flails nerdily*

bearblue: if you havent found the scene that works for you, write it and share it with the rest of us

raiderl_1: I think it may be rolling around on one of my harddrives somewhere…

ariestess: @bear :: That always works.

raiderl_1: thank you jazzy!

beachbum3668: what Gin said

ariestess: Thank you to all of the panelists and attendees for making this such a great panel!

Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe

yurianimeotaku: ty panelists

bearblue: one of the thins I like most is realizing i’m not the only one…

ariestess: Transcripts will be available after the con is over. Give us a couple of weeks ot recover and get them all ready for you, then they’ll be on the femslashday.com site.

beachbum3668: thanks mods

AlexReading: thank you all.

raiderl_1: thanks guys, this was fun!!!

olli01a: thank you

lotophaga: thanks.

mandygirl78: thanks

michelle_2011: thanks for the good panel

bearblue: thanks all smashing good

Shatterpath: good panel, everypony!

synergyfox: Every-sexy-pony

Shatterpath: lol

bearblue: lol

AlexReading: lol

synergyfox: All the Sparkles and Dashes and Apples and Flutters and Pinkies and Spikeys and so on and so forth

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