the_dhamphir: Sex! This is the room I want. *G*
Gin Akasarahsmom: Hehehe
Gin Akasarahsmom: I suppose it is time
raiderl_1: I second that damphir!
beachbum3668: Hello again
Gin Akasarahsmom: will the panelists please change their text to red…
Shatterpath: Ariestess is locked up again, so she’ll be here soon
the_dhamphir: and all others in black please
ariestess: Panelists, please change your font to bold red [like mine]. Everyone else, please use black text…
Gin Akasarahsmom: hello AJ
ariestess: Okay, first the ground rules. You MUST raise your hand for questions. The mods [those of us with an @ in front of our names] will keep track of the questions for everyone.
AlexReading: Shatterpath, just thrw her the keys.
jazwriter: I’m keeping an eye on this room in case you provide some good tips..
ariestess: Panelists, please introduce yourselves. I’ll go first. I’m AJ, aka ariestess, aka A. Magiluna Stormwriter. I’m your moderator for this panel. I’ve written a lot of sex in fic over the years.
quietheartedfsc: aj…sgr is on her way back…
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m Gin… I was told to be here. I’ve written some sex scenes.. and I hate writing them.. SO difficult.
beachbum3668: I’m BeachBum and I write Mirandy and J/7 fanfic
beachbum3668: and I’d rather have root canal surgery without anaesthesia than write a sex scene
bearblue: bearblue or katrina and yeah fan fiction with love scenes
Gin Akasarahsmom: exactly BB…
Alkmaion: hello again
alannasky: meow hi again
IvyMars: hi guys
raiderl_1: Hey everyone!
Shatterpath: I used to be able to write smokin’ hot smut, but that muse has appearantly retired
jazwriter: I like writing the sex scenes…lol
raiderl_1: Love writing the sex scenes!
bearblue: she’s just resting
beachbum3668: We always knew you weren’t right in the head Jazzy
IvyMars: yes you did shatter
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…
Gin Akasarahsmom: Can I ask the readers a question?
Gin Akasarahsmom: is that allowed?
Shatterpath: the gift will return, but not for now. Alas!
beachbum3668: We love you…but you’re just not right
bearblue: gotta recuperate when its smokin’
Shatterpath: ask awy, Gin
ariestess: Go for it, Gin!
Gin Akasarahsmom: When you’re reading a fic… what makes a good sex scene for you? I mean… what makes it…work, for you?
Gin Akasarahsmom: Because I’ve read some that I was just like…. eh…
Gin Akasarahsmom: and some that I was like… "Oh!" LOL
lotophaga: @Gin – it needs to be contextual, well-thought out, IC and have the right level of explicitness and feel.
raiderl_1: I think there needs to be connection first and foremost between characters
ivanolix: I want to feel like the characters are *really* aroused. Like, the specific act doesn’t matter as much as the characters’ reactions
Kaqlittle: believe ability
Otakugamer01: not having to try to figure out why some people in fics seem to magically have a third arm
AlexReading: there goes the arm.
synergyfox: @gin for it to be physically possible to do something…
raiderl_1: Oh yeah, no bending backwards!
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
alannasky: the aroused part and the connection
AlexReading: quit talking so much!
ariestess: For me, as both a reader and a writer, it’s got to be physically possible or it just doesn’t work.
beachbum3668: Gin, I think you hit a nerve with them
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe
ivanolix: Of course physically possible…you don’t necessarily know that if you haven’t tried every sex act before LOL
Gin Akasarahsmom: looks like it
raiderl_1: No super clinical descriptions or using the same word over and over and over
Gin Akasarahsmom: okay.. so.. physically possible. Got it
Shatterpath: some conversation is okay, if it’s really pertinent, otherwise it just starts sounding like cheezy porn
bearblue: unless, of course, they do have a third arm or mobile tail or really long tongue or…. shuttin up now
lotophaga: @ariestess: how are the realms of physical possibility affected by sci – fi/fantasy
synergyfox: I picutre it in my head and sometmies… when the knee ends up behind the head and the elbow is where the foot was a sentence ago…
beachbum3668: How about realistic? I mean, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t know ANYBODY who can reach an orgasm in 17 floors on an elevator
geekgrrllurking: I was so busy writing smut, I almost missed the sex panel. Hi panel!
IvyMars: super clinical only works for Dr. Isles
Shatterpath: BB- been there, done that
raiderl_1: YES! to super long tongues bear!
synergyfox: Wait… an orgasm in 17 floors?
Shatterpath: yep, that’s Geek alright
AlexReading: like the Magic Baby?
ariestess: @loto :: That still works within that scifi/fantasy character’s physical limitations.
raiderl_1: Ivy – LOL!
ariestess: LOL @ Geek!
beachbum3668: sure….Miranda and Andy get on the elevator on floor 17 and by the time they reach the lobby they’ve both come twice
Shatterpath: Lotaphaga- that’s a good one!
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol.. BB
AlexReading: in how many sentences did they do it?
ivanolix: Twice may be an exaggeration but…um…TMI but once is not impossible
synergyfox: Definately not impossible.
Otakugamer01: for scifi/fantasy you get a lot more leeway…put just keep track of where everything is…
ariestess: @beach :: TWICE in 17 floors? Yeah, not so much…
ariestess: Unless they pulled a Gibbs and halted the elevator.
raiderl_1: maybe the elevator got stuck?
beachbum3668: Starting out cold?
bearblue: unless the elevator got hung up
beachbum3668: Nope, no halting the elevator
beachbum3668: I mean come on
ivanolix: IDK my wife can go from 0 to 60 in like 3 seconds
Shatterpath: I think as long as the author sets up the rules inside of their universe, we can keep track. EG- the Wonderwand 2000
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…
geekgrrllurking: I think we need to remember that we are writing idealized sex scenes, so of course it’s wonderful and perfect and can happen twice in the elevator
raiderl_1: Huh. Yeah I can see one each but really.
bearblue: then there is the camerea aspect, but hey… some like being watched…
yurianimeotaku: @beach My ex-wife can in two floors.
AlexReading: @aj, there were a lot of stuck turbo lifts where 7o9 was around, Voy has only how many levels?
olli01a: At least they didn’t come on every floor
synergyfox: @ivanolix I’m sorry babe, you’re just too sexy for my own good.
beachbum3668: Only model 2000? My characters use the 9000 model
lotophaga: @ otaku Spec fic needs consistency – so it’s important for the writer to set out what non-human characters can and cannot do. It makes it more interesting when said non-human characters are sexually distinct from humans, too.
geekgrrllurking: the challenge as a writer is to make it believible and I hope, meaningful
Shatterpath: actually, Voyager was quite huge
raiderl_1: beach – can’t someone invent at least the 1000 model in RL?
beachbum3668: I live in hope
ariestess: @alex :: Very true…
ivanolix: @geek Though I find sex scenes hotter if there are realistic little problems like in RL sex
Gin Akasarahsmom: Non-humans rarely have compatable … parts
geekgrrllurking: @ivan I agree, it makes it more human and I think interesting for the reader
IvyMars: I love clutzy sex
beachbum3668: They may not have compatible parts but there’s certainly a lot of canoodling going on anyway
bearblue: but then they learn its not always about parts
raiderl_1: I appreciate when say, in the HP universe, that the writer accounts for the gifts that the magical persons have and uses them to full benefit (wink at jazzy)
Gin Akasarahsmom: you think small problems make it more relateable?
geekgrrllurking: and interesting for the writer, I mean tab a into slot b gets boring after awhile
yurianimeotaku: @Gin Apparently in the Mass Effect fandom, Cmdr Shepard is compatible with all alien life.
ivanolix: @geek At least in an established pairing. Like if they fall off the couch, or there’s a leg cramp, or someone just bursts out giggling…it adds intimacy
beachbum3668: I WANT THAT DAMNED BOOK JAZZY!!!
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… of course
bearblue: i get that
Shatterpath: true, intimacy is an excellent hook
lotophaga: @yuri : it must be convergent evolution
jazwriter: Sorry, I’m not right in the head–can’t find it
ariestess: If you have questions, feel free to raise your hand!
ariestess: We won’t bite. Unless you ask us to.
raiderl_1: Yes, intimacy is the sexiest thing of all.
ariestess: ITA, raider!
Gin Akasarahsmom: Personally I have problems writing scenes like that because it’s difficult not to make them sound all the same
geekgrrllurking: @ivan, exactly, it makes the characters more relateable
Gin Akasarahsmom: I need to make them different each time
beachbum3668: I’ve always felt there’s a world of difference between making love and fucking
AlexReading: intimacy is good, but pleas don’t cry at every other…
ivanolix: The more perfect the sex scene, the more it feels like staged porn. But make it feel real, and in-character, and suddenly you’re in the chracters’ heads and that’s *really* hot
geekgrrllurking: the best sex is between the ears
Shatterpath: that’s a big reason I went 1st person
ariestess: Amen, Geek!
beachbum3668: It’s much harder to write a making love scene because of the emotional resonances that are inherently a part of it
bearblue: sometimes you just have to accept it will be the same and write it any way
ariestess: And yuri has the first question.
geekgrrllurking: what are they thinking, feeling, as they touch and peel layers away on that elevator
bearblue: or fade to black
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… emotions have to be a huge part of it. I don’t think I could write them just fucking
Shatterpath: and we the writers should know those characters well, to portray them well in what can be a difficult thing to write
yurianimeotaku: Do the panelists "act out" some of the more "complicated" scenes to make sure they work?
raiderl_1: But, people who are intimate may also have moments when it’s all about the fucking
jazwriter: but I might find the book for raider
Gin Akasarahsmom: my characters have to have an emotional connection before I can write a scene like that…
beachbum3668: I don’t. It’s all between my ears.
raiderl_1: THANK U!!!
Shatterpath: Sex bored me in RL
ariestess: @yuri :: It depends…
ivanolix: "Just fucking" scenes can work if there’s denial going on, or an aftermath of thinking about what just happened
IvyMars: I agree with raider
bearblue: I at least check for… navigation to make sure it makes sense
ariestess: LOL @ bear
Shatterpath: *giggles* Navigation…
geekgrrllurking: @bear yes, I’m always losing track of limbs
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… I don’t ‘act it out’… but I do sort of close my eyes and ‘visualize’ it… okay.. she does that.. then she’ll do this… and then what happens… oh.. okay.. that would work..
IvyMars: there is something to be said for angry sex
raiderl_1: LMAO! Bear!
ariestess: My muses give me porn movies in the back of my head. I just try to write what they’re doing.
AlexReading: oops Gin, TMI
Shatterpath: yeah, i have a tv screen in my mind’s eye that lets me be the director
raiderl_1: I don’t think I’ve ever written angry sex.
ariestess: The Muse Cave is always rockin’..
IvyMars: you should try raider
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. TMI? I was just answering the question
Shatterpath: damn those damp cave florrs….
raiderl_1: Hmm, maybe I will. Next story!
yurianimeotaku: @Ivy A lesbian fiction author friend and I were trying to list all the different "types" of sex (ie, drunk sex, angry sex, make-up sex, etc…)
ariestess: And ivanolix has the next question.
beachbum3668: How any did you come up wiht?
ivanolix: How do the panelists deal with the pronoun problem of both characters being "her"? And have you ever written a f/f/f sex scene?
raiderl_1: yuri how many u come up/
Shatterpath: 1st person
Gin Akasarahsmom: names help
bearblue: use the names
raiderl_1: Definitely names
ariestess: I write in first person. And I’ve written up to — I have a femslash OT4.
yurianimeotaku: @raider 5, so far.
Gin Akasarahsmom: and no.. never written f/f/f
Shatterpath: I can’t even think outside 1st person any more
beachbum3668: Yup, I agree with bearblue…you have to use names occasionally
raiderl_1: As for f/f/f yes but never posted it
lotophaga: @ bear and gin: thanks. When I beta, that’s always my advice.
ariestess: But I do use names, too. And occasional nicknames and such.
raiderl_1: five. gotta b more than that I’d think
geekgrrllurking: unique character traits can help identify, blonde, brunette redhead
bearblue: read out loud too
beachbum3668: also works…ex Miranda Priestly has iconic silver hair
ivanolix: Oh god reading sex scenes out loud
yurianimeotaku: @raider There probably is, but she’s in the middle of promoting her new book, so communication is sporadic at best.
ariestess: @Geek :: That’s true, but you also have to be careful because your POV character may not consider their partner[s] with that same kind of terminology.
bearblue: if it doesn’t make sense when you read it….
Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t read them out loud
raiderl_1: yes geekgrl but it needs to flow for me, not say just "the blonde then…"
ariestess: I don’t read them out loud either.
bearblue: so descriptives and names and personal quirks
beachbum3668: I’m like Gin…I close my eyes and visualize the scene
beachbum3668: Actually, choreograph it is probably more correct in tems of what I do
ariestess: Go ahead again, yuri
lotophaga: @ bear :: i’d say a good sex scene has the reader instinctively know who’s doing what without too much ID required.
yurianimeotaku: How about "names" for body parts? Do you use them?
raiderl_1: Choreograph is a good way of seeing it I think
Gin Akasarahsmom: my stories are often like movies.. playing in my head.. so I just try to convey what I see
bearblue: oh i visualize, but sound check is my logistics friend
beachbum3668: Yuri…defiine "names"
Gin Akasarahsmom: words I do not use: Pussy… cunt… clitoris.. labia
ariestess: @yuri :: I use terminology that my characters would use.
Gin Akasarahsmom: too gross.. and/or clinical
ariestess: @Gin :: I use all of them and more.
beachbum3668: I’ll use labia occasionally
bearblue: @iota that works with two people, sure
yurianimeotaku: @beach Like "lady garden," "goddess flower," etc…
raiderl_1: names tend to get too clinical
ivanolix: I use all of those except labia, depending on the scene and character
AlexReading: @Gin, unless u’re Maura Isles.
beachbum3668: No, I don’t ever get THAT flowery
bearblue: but three or four…. gotta track those hands
ariestess: I try to steer clear of the purple prose as much as possible.
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl.. okay.. yes.. unless I’m writing Maura
ivanolix: Some characters are more graphic in their heads than others
raiderl_1: ohhh. euphanisms.
beachbum3668: Lousy prose is lousy prose, doesn’t matter what kind of a scene its in
geekgrrllurking: I shy away from clinical, but ‘ass’ and ‘clit’ work, big no to the flowery wording
bearblue: but i like jewel analogies…
raiderl_1: Yes, geek, agree with both
bearblue: depends on the scene and author
Gin Akasarahsmom: often times I’ll be thrown out of the story because of terms that are too clinical… or… crass… but that is just me
yurianimeotaku: @bear Jewel?
ariestess: @bear :: Exactly.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I know everyone is different
bearblue: sweet pearl
lotophaga: I think the terminology used depends both on the POV and the context (angry / passionate / slow-burning sex etc.)
bearblue: lovely ruby
raiderl_1: I like when a writer writes about the effect upon certain parts
raiderl_1: Yes, loto, context!
ariestess: Alex, you have the next question.
ivanolix: Me too, raider
AlexReading: thanks. do writers check how many sex scenes they write in a fic, especially long one, or just go with the flow, MUST do every chapter etc?
raiderl_1: Definitely go with the flow. so to speak.
mandygirl78: I go with the flow.
bearblue: go with the flow
ivanolix: Yeah, it’s different with every fic
ariestess: @alex :: I let the characters guide the story where it needs to go. If that means a lot of sex, fine. IF it doesn’t, also fine.
Gin Akasarahsmom: go with it… when the characters feel like it…
beachbum3668: whatever works for that particular story arc.
bearblue: it has to feel right to be right
geekgrrllurking: sometimes your not planning a scene and the characters almost demand it, lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes
AlexReading: some read like it’s out of place at times.
ivanolix: What do you mean almost, geek? Characters totally insert themselves into unplanned scenes
bearblue: or you are planning the scene and it goes poof
raiderl_1: I’ve had that happen katrina, didn’t think the characters would get there for several more chapters then all of a sudden, holy shit!
geekgrrllurking: you’re writing a lovely romantic scene and you think, great it’s going to be so lovely and sweet and then BAM, Olivia pounces on Natalia and hello smexy times
beachbum3668: I know whqt you mean, Alex. You’re reading along and suddenly the characters are fucking their brains out. you hit "PageUp" to see what you missed
ivanolix: Pouncing is the best
ariestess: Or you’re planning for smexy times and the muses say "Nope! We want to talk about all the feeeeeeeeeeeelings we have!"
AlexReading: yes, beach, and u page down too.
lotophaga: @ Ivan: couldn’t agree more
geekgrrllurking: @aj exactly!
bearblue: or they bring in the distrations
beachbum3668: the story dictates what has to happen
beachbum3668: Of course, when you’re writing PWP, anything goes
ariestess: I used to try to outline and plan my stories. And then my muses got their own grubby, dirty little hands into the mix and I’ve learned to just go with their flow.
bearblue: yay pwp
raiderl_1: a lot of the times it’s because there’s been resistance and the "pouncing" is because one of them totally breaks!
beachbum3668: yeah, but that follows the storyline raider
bearblue: nods @ ariestess
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
raiderl_1: well hopefully it does!
raiderl_1: but u r right, when it’s just out of the blue it’s like WTF?
ivanolix: I also love fics where the characters just tease each other until one of them can’t bear it anymore and pounces
ariestess: Go ahead, yuri!
yurianimeotaku: For the authors who write for fandoms with underage (under 18) characters, how do you handle sex scenes?
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… when one resists for as long as possible…
Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t. I would age the character past the age of consent
Alkmaion: @aries Is that what they call sub-musive’? *g*
beachbum3668: I don’t. call me a dinosaur but I leave the kids out of the sex mix
bearblue: what gin said
raiderl_1: No underage
ariestess: @yuri :: I don’t normally write sex for underage characters.
beachbum3668: Nope…that’s just squicky
Gin Akasarahsmom: for instance.. if I were to write HP… my pairing would be Hermionie/Minerva… but Hermione would be older, divorced from Ron and probably have two children
ariestess: There are characters that have it in their backgrounds, but I don’t dwell on it in detail.
ariestess: @alk :: LOL! Yeah, something like that.
ivanolix: I age it up if I have to write a sex scene. I know underage people have sex, but in that case I just leave it offscreen.
Shatterpath: won’t get near underage characters.
raiderl_1: in some fandoms though, like Glee, it’s all underage but then their the same age and exploring sexuality and I think a lot of the writers are that age too. so different
AlexReading: techically, the 17 is underage. and gets paired with a 19yo?
bearblue: nods at ivan
geekgrrllurking: no sex underage, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have touching and feeling, the emotions are all still there, I personally just don’t want to go all the way
raiderl_1: Yes gin, agree
ariestess: I have a couple of OCs that got into the BDSM scene as minors. I do write about what effect it had on them, but not the actual sex.
Alkmaion: Offscreen is a good idea. Sometimes I get the feeling a lot of these underage sex writers do it for the squick factor
ivanolix: Although interesting point, the age of consent is 16 in a lot of US states. Did not know that until recently.
yurianimeotaku: @raider Yes, Glee is a good example of what I’m talking about.
mandygirl78: underage sex, that’s a tricky one.
Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s canon on Glee that Britney and Santana are having sex… but I would never write that…
Gin Akasarahsmom: it is Santana right?
AlexReading: that is not too huge a age gap, and age of consent varies.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I haven’t watched that in so long..
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
raiderl_1: I wouldn’t either Gin but that’s just not where I’m at as a writer too.
Gin Akasarahsmom: the best thing about being a writer is that you can write what you want to.
beachbum3668: And that’s why i write about grownups
geekgrrllurking: @gin amen
bearblue: age of consent or fade to black or an aging up somehow before love scenes for me
ariestess: I think a high proportion of the writers of underage sex are underage themselves and/or trying to deal with aspects of their own minority.
raiderl_1: Grownups are more complex and as for HP stories most all of my faves have Hermione in her twenties
beachbum3668: that’s what the back seat of a chevy is for, isn’t it?
Gin Akasarahsmom: true… there are a LOT of underage writers
beachbum3668: LOL…sorry: couldn’t resist
yurianimeotaku: @Gin And a lot of underage readers
ariestess: LOL @ beach
Gin Akasarahsmom: that is true too Yuri
ivanolix: I was underage when I started writing sex scenes, but I never wrote with underage characters
ariestess: And angharad_gov has the next question.
angharad_gov: which do you favor more as both writer and reader, fade-to-black or highly descriptive sex scenes?
ariestess: Good question!
bearblue: thus disclainers
ariestess: For me, it REALLY depends on my muses, the characters in the story, and the story itself.
raiderl_1: lots of disclaimers – I learned from the best Katrina!
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m very much fade-to-black…
Shatterpath: I’ve enjoyed both
ariestess: *snerks* I get bitched at for my disclaimers/header section.
beachbum3668: I go with Alfred Hitchcock on that one. build up your characters, set the scene, put everything in motion and…fade to black. because the audience’s imagination is ALWAYS better that what you can put on the screen.
geekgrrllurking: I think I almost perfer fade to black over a very clinical/flowery/detailed sex scene. Depends on the sex scene I guess
mandygirl78: depends on the story.
raiderl_1: Explicit but I enjoy both as there’s a time and place; context again
Gin Akasarahsmom: some description is nice sometimes.. but many times my imagination can beat anything someone graphically writes
yurianimeotaku: @raider How much do you put in the disclaimer before you’ve ruined the story?
AlexReading: reader – fadetoblack works these days, after so many years of reading fanfic, they can get tedious.
raiderl_1: that’s a hard balance because so many have squiks but at same time don’t want to give it all away. Like "spanking"
bearblue: both epending on scene. does it add too the story? is it respectful of the characters? its in
wolvie_dk: depends if the author is good writing the highly descriptive scenes, otherwise fade-to-black
Gin Akasarahsmom: someone once thanked me for not having my characters having sex every other page.. LOL
raiderl_1: It’s better sometimes if some is a surprise
beachbum3668: My disclaimer says if you can’t handle two adults in a cimmitted relationship go somewhere and read something else
bearblue: does fading mean i’ll get more writing done?, then fade
ariestess: LOL @ Bear
yurianimeotaku: @Gin LOL.
raiderl_1: I was doing that beach but last year on this forum I had a lot of folks counselling that I should really disclaim it all
Gin Akasarahsmom: fade to black is often how I see it… because of that movie I told you about playing in my head… if it fades out in the movie, it fades out in the story…
ivanolix: I like AO3’s way of handling disclaimers. Everything is a tag so you can both appeal to people who find (for instance) spanking a really hot kink, and warn away people who it squicks
beachbum3668: I had a reader comment once that my story was the "most romantic fic every…without any romance in it."
girlwithuglyshoes: hi everyone!
yurianimeotaku: @ivan AO3?
raiderl_1: Can’t get on AO3 until at least october!
ariestess: @ivan :: I SO agree with you on that! I really like how you can do that.
mandygirl78: Yeah, AO3 has a lot of options.
AlexReading: u@beach, do u still disclaim for "two adults in a cimmitted relationship" pretty much granted these days, if ur stories is in f/f section.
synergyfox: @raider why not?
beachbum3668: yeah, I disclaim right after I give the usual "no infringement intended or profit made" speech
ariestess: So here’s a question for the panelists. What would you like to learn how to write re: sex scenes.
ariestess: @geek :: I"ll get you next.
raiderl_1: There’s a waiting list to get a writer’s account
beachbum3668: I’d like it to be easier.
ivanolix: yeah AO3 has been having server issues
Gin Akasarahsmom: I would just like them to be easier!
Gin Akasarahsmom: ROFL… BB
ariestess: LOL! Yeah, besides that, you two!
raiderl_1: After the blow up at ff.net everyone was trying to get on it in case their work was banned
Shatterpath: i’d like the knack back…
bearblue: if I could translate straight from brain to screen in a meanungful way…lol
AlexReading: sld have done at way back b4 the blowup.
beachbum3668: Ummm….a really, REALLY good online thesaurus?
Gin Akasarahsmom: I would like to know how to make them more explicit, without making them…. squicky
ariestess: @bear :: I want that, too!
yurianimeotaku: @raider I was wondering when all the underage reading was going to get them in trouble.
ariestess: @beach :: I agree!
bearblue: especially right now. one hand typing is tedious
raiderl_1: LOL bear!
beachbum3668: Can I air a pet peeve pf mine?
Gin Akasarahsmom: sure
lotophaga: Fanfic has a tendency to make sex scenes "stick out" – as characters and settings are already described, there is little need for further exposition, so I find fanfics very dialogue heavy compared to original fiction
ariestess: Go for it@
raiderl_1: yeah yuri, but if they’d just do a few tweaks they’d not have the issue. sigh.
bearblue: nods at gin metoo
beachbum3668: AJ? Was that a green light for me?
ariestess: @beach ;; You are after Geek’s question.
ariestess: Geek, go!
geekgrrllurking: With ffnet clamping down on its mature ratings, is there an archive site that the panelists prefer to post to? More freedom as it were to share the lovin’
raiderl_1: There is adultfanfiction.net but it’s basically a porn site, not somewhere I fit so not comfortable.
beachbum3668: I just post to my own websites
Gin Akasarahsmom: I post on LJ and fanfiction.net… if they don’t like it and it down then that’s up to them
yurianimeotaku: @mandy That site is just so "sketchy."
ariestess: @Geek :: I don’t know. AO3 works for me. But I’ve also got SSP with its own set of rules.
bearblue: post to my own site again… dreamwidth maybe andsomeday AO3
mandygirl78: yeah, when I went to aff, it turned me off.
bearblue: agrees w/ gin
geekgrrllurking: does that limit your readership? lessens attracting new readers?
bearblue: that is an issue
beachbum3668: I post on LJ that I’m updating my websites
ariestess: *nods* It’s definitely an issue.
raiderl_1: Was hoping to get work up on AO3 but we’ll see. I like ff.net as it’s easy. not bcause i m lazy with html (ok i m) but because I’ve got so much going on elsewhere i don’t have time for a site.
beachbum3668: and on a couple of other forums
Shatterpath: we are having a much harder time finding one another as time goes by
Gin Akasarahsmom: I dunno… it seems I have several readers
bearblue: pretty sure people find more accidental fic on known fic sites
yurianimeotaku: @Gin How does LJ handle mature material on their site?
jazwriter: of course you do, Gin!
AlexReading: @geek if you can’t find archive yet, just goto googledoc temporary.
ariestess: I crosspost my fics on DW, LJ, and AO3 currently. And I update SSP when I get the time [and with a HUGE overhaul looming over my head, I tend to shy away from it].
Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t know that they do… anything I’ve ever posted has been left there
beachbum3668: I’ve never had a proble on LJ
bearblue: they have blow ups now and then
mandygirl78: I haven’t tried Dreamwidth yet, since LJ, FF.net and AO3 is a lot on my plate.
bearblue: but with filters much calmer
Gin Akasarahsmom: I like it simple… post in one or two places.. then possibly just link to it on other places
geekgrrllurking: @alex, actually I archive almost exclusively on LJ, with P&P and Shatterstorm Prod. as backup. Although I like AO3 it’s a little hard to navigate, but that could just be me. I don’t like ff.net at all actually
Gin Akasarahsmom: my hard drive is my backup
raiderl_1: why don’t u like ff.net geekgrl? curious.
beachbum3668: I have several flashdrives that never leave my possession
ariestess: @beach :: Share you pet peeve.
Shatterpath: I love AO3!
beachbum3668: I learned my lesson the hard way on that one
raiderl_1: I’ve backed up on three computers, a flash drive and Drop Box
ariestess: I don’t like FF.net either, but I LOVE AO3.
beachbum3668: my pet peeve: SPELLCHECK AND EDIT YOUR WORK!!!
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl…
geekgrrllurking: well, first of all the rating/censorship, when I signed up originally it gave me pause that I could be censored, which is now happening over there with writers, also I have a hard time navigating around
ariestess: @beach :: THANK YOU! That’s my biggest pet peeve, too.
raiderl_1: I still find AO3 hard to navigate but maybe that’s just me.
mandygirl78: drop box is a godsend for me.
yurianimeotaku: @beach Isn’t that what betas are for?
beachbum3668: Nothing sends me running for cover more than a fic that is full os grammar and spelling and punctuation errore
wolvie_dk: amen, BB
bearblue: doesn’t always work, but thats why I read aloud
Boots1987: no it’s not just you, raider.
ariestess: Speaking of backups, if anyone wants an online backup with 5GB of space free, please PM me for details.
beachbum3668: Yeah, it is, yuri. Unfortunately, too many writers don’t use them
raiderl_1: God yes beach. Please goddess freaking spellcheck!!!
Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s not that difficult
bearblue: it makes me look at the text twice at least
geekgrrllurking: oh dear, the comma nazi’s are circling
ariestess: @Beach :: Or the people that list betas, but the story is STILL riddled with errors.
beachbum3668: "silence rained".
geekgrrllurking: thank god for betas
mandygirl78: it’s time for me to be quite
beachbum3668: *banging head on desk*
ariestess: @Beach :: I have been asked to leave groups/communities because of my stance on betas.
raiderl_1: No, no. No comma nazi here – just sometimes it’s so bad I can’t read it.
beachbum3668: betas are absolutely essential to a writer.
ariestess: I fully and freely admit to being a comma/beta nazi. I just wish I could do it professionally for money.
Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s difficult to read stories that haven’t been properly spellchecked… but TWICE as hard to read sex scenes with glaring errors in them
jazwriter: I agree, Bech
beachbum3668: A hard-nosed beta will save you from your worst instincts
bearblue: if they actually beta
Boots1987: hmm, i’m pretty sure i’ve had grammatical errors and punctuation problems in my fanfiction. Nothing too extreme though.
geekgrrllurking: @aj lol, that’s why we love you so
jazwriter: I have some awesome betas
raiderl_1: My honey tends to be my beta.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I know I do
Gin Akasarahsmom: I have all kinds of errors in mine
Gin Akasarahsmom: but I’m working to correct that, in future stories
mandygirl78: I finally got some great betas. * Smiling at yuri*
beachbum3668: I have great betas. Even I when I whine at them
ariestess: And we have about 8 minutes left of this panel.
bearblue: some o mine simply like to read as I write, which is very ok
Gin Akasarahsmom: question for everyone
yurianimeotaku: @mandy You have a beta and an editor.
geekgrrllurking: a really great beta can teach a writer so much, it can be a very give/take thing. But finding a good beta is hard
raiderl_1: But a few mistakes aren’t what we’re talking here. At least not me. I can tolerate a lot, esp if English not first language, but sometimes it’s just too f-ed up
Gin Akasarahsmom: do you have a favorite sex scene? One that stands out in your head and makes you reread that story?
mandygirl78: @yuri – true indeed, i’m not compaining!
ariestess: A good beta is VERY hard to find and sometimes harder to keep.
beachbum3668: Yes, always play nice with your betas
ariestess: One of my favorite sex scenes is the tail sex scene from Shatterpath’s "Heroes" saga in BoP.
beachbum3668: favorite sex scene….hmmmmm
Kaqlittle: that ridiculous dress the scene in that one.
Shatterpath: 7 with Janeway over her desk. STILL hot after all these years
yurianimeotaku: @aj "tail sex scene?"
raiderl_1: a favorite sex scene isn’t even really a sex scene but a prelude. Chilly’s Five Minutes (I think that’s the one) when Miranda confronts Andy in the meeting room at her work. Sexy as hell.
ariestess: @yuri :: If you go to AO3 and search for Shatterpath, you should find the Heroes saga under birds of prey for her. It’s a long story, but it’s fantastic.
AlexReading: @shatterpath hv to agree on that one.
beachbum3668: writtensword’s The Gentleman. I always have to go spalsh cold water on my face after I read that one
raiderl_1: Also, Gina Dartt wrote something and then removed it a long time ago – involved the Wonder Wand and it was all PWP. Hawt!
yurianimeotaku: @aj Thanks.
lotophaga: @Gin :: of the top of my head, the J/7 scene in "Sustenance" was uncommonly strong
Gin Akasarahsmom: cool
ariestess: @raider :: I didn’t think she removed that "Just Between" series…
Shatterpath: you and me both, Raider!
raiderl_1: Oh yeah, the Gentleman’s scene was really wow.
beachbum3668: Nope, you can still find ENDGAME on her site
AlexReading: @raider_1 Game’s End?
ariestess: All right, 5 minutes left. Final thoughts?
raiderl_1: It was in the follow up and it was a one shot
AlexReading: err, wrong title
raiderl_1: Yes, end game! it’s still there? cool!
beachbum3668: If you can’t….email me
jazwriter: raider’s It’s the Only Life You’ve Got Arc 1 has smoking sex scenes
Shatterpath: a bunch of us will be rereading, eh?
ariestess: Legend of the Seeker panel is coming up next in this room.
Gin Akasarahsmom: final thoughts….. Writing sex scenes is difficult… and I hate it… but often it needs to be done, for the story.
synergyfox: *flails nerdily*
bearblue: if you havent found the scene that works for you, write it and share it with the rest of us
raiderl_1: I think it may be rolling around on one of my harddrives somewhere…
ariestess: @bear :: That always works.
raiderl_1: thank you jazzy!
beachbum3668: what Gin said
ariestess: Thank you to all of the panelists and attendees for making this such a great panel!
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe
yurianimeotaku: ty panelists
bearblue: one of the thins I like most is realizing i’m not the only one…
ariestess: Transcripts will be available after the con is over. Give us a couple of weeks ot recover and get them all ready for you, then they’ll be on the femslashday.com site.
beachbum3668: thanks mods
AlexReading: thank you all.
raiderl_1: thanks guys, this was fun!!!
olli01a: thank you
michelle_2011: thanks for the good panel
bearblue: thanks all smashing good
synergyfox: All the Sparkles and Dashes and Apples and Flutters and Pinkies and Spikeys and so on and so forth