Gin Akasarahsmom: Criminal Minds is starting… Now!
Gin Akasarahsmom: Will all the panelists for the Criminal Minds panel please change their font color to red…
Gin Akasarahsmom: and we can get this party started!
Gin Akasarahsmom: If you would… panelists… please introduce yourselves…
Kayryn: Welcome everyone!
Cherokee62: Hi everyone, I’m Cherokee62 I write CM femslash as well as CSI and a few other crossovers
Alsike: Hello! I’m Alsike. I wrote an excessive amount of Criminal Minds/X-Men crossovers.
alannasky: whedonist…i got your info and send it back…talk to u guys later…have to go do some errands be back later
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m Gin.. and I’m supposed to be hosting this thing… however, I’m going to pretty much sit back and watch you all chat… asking questions every once in a while to keep things moving…
Kayryn: I’m Kayryn and I sometimes write CM femslash, but mostly I make manips and other graphics these days for CM, WH13 and OUaT
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. there will be transcripts available in a few days
Gin Akasarahsmom: Okay… so.. Criminal Minds… What draws you to this Fandom?
Cherokee62: For me it was originally the intelligence of the show
Alsike: Emily Prentiss
Kayryn: for me it’s the crimes, the psychology and the writing
Cherokee62: I stayed for Emily & JJ
Kayryn: and then hot women
Kayryn: I loved Elle, thought I’d quit the show when she left, only to totally fall in love with Emily
Cherokee62: It was original for its time when it started, nothing like it on tv
Alsike: I really liked reading up on profiling, but I really like angsty backstory, apparently.
Kayryn: and I have nothing against Alex either
Gin Akasarahsmom: So am I correct that most people’s favorite pairings include Emily?
Cherokee62: I’m the opposite, Elle didn’t grab me, Emily joining kept me with the show
Kayryn: I like Emily/JJ, but I also love Erin/Alex
Cherokee62: JJ& Emily only for me
Alsike: Um, there are other characters?
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL!
Gin Akasarahsmom: Garcia?
Gin Akasarahsmom: I actually like Garcia/JJ
Gin Akasarahsmom: but NO ONE writes that
Kayryn: I like Garcia, but I don’t really ship her with anyone
Cherokee62: Garcia is a doll but I could never see her with JJ or Emily
Cherokee62: morgan…she and he are perfect
Gin Akasarahsmom: I can see her with JJ…
Gin Akasarahsmom: I adore her interactions with Morgan
Whedonist: There’s one solid series of Garcia with a lady…
Alsike: I kind of ship the team dynamic in general.
Gin Akasarahsmom: but as far as femslash goes.. Garcia/JJ would be neat, I think
fsc_ralst: what about Garcia and an original female character?
Whedonist: it’s up on P&P, other than that I don’t see her with anyone else, mostly it’s JJ/Emily.
Cherokee62: maybe an original yeah
Cherokee62: but JJ is too bff or sisterly in my eyes
Gin Akasarahsmom: Since Emily left… how did that impact the fanfic… in your opinoin?
Cherokee62: for me…not at all
fsc_ralst: There are a few Garcia/Abby (NCIS) fics around
Cherokee62: I ignore the asshats at cbs and Emily will always be there
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I see… that is always an option Cherokee… ignoring the asshats
Kayryn: I don’t think it has a lot of impact… I mean that’s why we have fanfic, to create what we don’t get from the show
Gin Akasarahsmom: Otaku you have a question?
Alsike: I kind of wandered off into my own fanon a while ago.
Cherokee62: why I started writing femslash…they were annoying me
Otakugamer01: what’s your favorite way to write around the canon male love interests in the show?
Kayryn: It depends on the character and the situation, really
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah… to put JJ with Emily.. you have to write out JJ’s dude
Cherokee62: lol, i either make him a non-entity…or have him dumped
Gin Akasarahsmom: which would be great.. because I can’t stand that guy
Alsike: I usually just don’t use JJ
Cherokee62: I don’t like Will. Never have
Gin Akasarahsmom: but I adore her little baby… lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: the guy that plays Will annoys me
Kayryn: Will… ugh… the man looks like he’s always high
Cherokee62: his purpose in my fics is to explain Henry only…and for general angst
Cherokee62: lol so true
Alsike: but I’ve just been writing a lovely – Will being an asshat when Henry turns out to be gay – story.
Alsike: It got rid of him pretty fast.
Cherokee62: oh that would be a good one
Otakugamer01: i like fics where Henry is closer to Emily
Gin Akasarahsmom: ah… nice
Cherokee62: i’ve toyed with the idea of killing him but that would require JJ to be upset and I dont want to deal with her going thru that
Kayryn: and I can’t stand the way Will treats JJ and how it’s supposed to be “understanding”
Kayryn: when he’s really just being a dick
Kayryn: excuse my language
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah
Gin Akasarahsmom: Whedonist… go ahead
Cherokee62: was it just me or were they beginning to set up a story line of him being unfaithful before they jumped to marriage when Prentiss left?
Whedonist: Where do you guys post your work, i don’t see much going up on LJ, so…?
Kayryn: @Whedonist, I post my fics on FF.net and AO3
Cherokee62: Most of mine is on Fanfiction.net as well as LJ but I haven’t posted in a while. RL being a pain at moment
Alsike: Mainly LJ for CM, but I’ve been out of the game for a while. Grad school.
Kayryn: and my graphics go to tumblr
Gin Akasarahsmom: I usually just read from fanfic.net… or Ralst’s site
fsc_ralst: so you’re the one
Cherokee62: i find ff.net, you see the interest more than you do on lj
Alsike: I’m trying to crosspost stuff to A03 – since they’ll let in my weird porn.
Whedonist: Nice, thanks.
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe
Cherokee62: i’m just moving to AO3 now
fsc_ralst: AO3 needs a PM system but other than that it’s pretty good.
Alsike: It is also like 2% femslash. We must invade.
Kayryn: @ralst, so true
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
fsc_ralst: Yes, femslash can be lost in the dark recesses on big sites. So invasion, yes
Gin Akasarahsmom: how do the newer epsisodes effect your fanfics, if at all…
Alsike: oh, actually 3.53%
Whedonist: I’m sensing a call to action brewing…I’ll bring the popcorn.
Cherokee62: they annoy my muse lol
Kayryn: well, for me it created a new pairing… I wrote two Alex/Erin stories…
Cherokee62: I have nothing against the new character but I dont care for Alex.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Erin….
Alsike: I am so out of the loop. I should probably watch some. It might light a fire.
Kayryn: but I still keep coming up with stuff for Emily/JJ
Alsike: I just have seven million half-written ideas.
Cherokee62: i’m glad JJ is getting better story lines now.
Kayryn: @Gin: Erin Strauss
Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily/JJ is popular…
Alsike: not with me
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah.. but… Erin… isn’t there anymore.. so…
Cherokee62: Karyn how will you handle Erin’s death?
Kayryn: yeah well… that’s what fic is for, I say
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I see
Gin Akasarahsmom: of course
Kayryn: @cherokee I wrote two ficlets
Alsike: fic = creative denial
Gin Akasarahsmom: fanfic is always for fixing the powers that be screw ups
Cherokee62: They could be a good pairing now that I think of it. I never think past my girls I confess
fsc_ralst: The way they tend to remove the female characters, while leaving the male characters alone (except when the actor walks off) really annoys me about this show
Kayryn: I figured she was going to die way back when Jayne thanked everyone on Facebook for the support she’d had…
Gin Akasarahsmom: How do you think the dynamic will change if/when Garcia leaves?
Gin Akasarahsmom: Garcia and JJ both right?
Kayryn: I hate the way they treat women on this show
Cherokee62: Yeah CBS really screwed up on the whole get rid of the women bullcrap
Gin Akasarahsmom: They were having some contract disputes
fsc_ralst: total stupid move
fsc_ralst: move( s )
Cherokee62: I’m honestly shicked the sow survived that fiasco
Alsike: god, guys tend to register as an amorphous blob to me unless they say something funny. I won’t watch.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I do like Derek Morgan and his interactions with Garcia
Cherokee62: I love all the team members but I dont think I would watch if it was just the guys. They need the females to balance out all that testerone
Cherokee62: I love Derek Morgan. Great Character
Kayryn: I used to like Derek, but having watched and rewatched the eps enough times, he’s annoying me these days
Mapsnika: they add drama that the males lack
fsc_ralst: Plus, a show where women are killed in masse needs the balance of strong female core characters, otherwise it’s just icky
Gin Akasarahsmom: I won’t watch without Garcia… but do you think that those characters leaving the show will increase or decrease the fanfiction output for the fandom?
fsc_ralst: the amount of fic has been dropping for years, since they started messing with JJ/Em and brought in the Will-bot
Cherokee62: I think the diehard shippers won’t blink an eye and just keep writing for their OTPs
Alsike: the will-bot started me writing for the show.
Cherokee62: Who do you ship Alsike?
Alsike: I ship Emma Frost/Emily Prentiss (desperately)
Alsike: (two years of my life – gone)
Cherokee62: Ah I’ve read a few of those! (fans self)
Kayryn: Emily/JJ will always be special to me, it was the first femslash couple I *knew* I was writing femslash fic about… earlier couple from another fandom was disguised as friendship
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL
Alsike: I read a ton of Emily/JJ, but when the baby-storyline arrived, I just couldn’t stand the angst
Cherokee62: Same for me. First couple I ever wrote for.
Gin Akasarahsmom: our first pairing is always special Kayryn
Alsike: I’m like “Emily! Move on! Get over her!”
Cherokee62: Sometimes I drop the kid…won’t lie
Alsike: totally valid
fsc_ralst: on its head?
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol C
Cherokee62: I like to write Emily in my crossovers. I’ve paired her with Ziva David, (my personal fav)
Gin Akasarahsmom: I seem to see a lot of crossovers with the Criminal Minds fandom
Gin Akasarahsmom: mostly with other crime shows
Cherokee62: She has always struck me as a wild one…a dog so to speak., lol
Cherokee62: i save the romance for JJ
fsc_ralst: Do you think we’ll see more crossovers as the female characters leave?
Alsike: It’s easy to see all the crime shows as existing in the same world
Gin Akasarahsmom: are there any crossovers you like in particular? or want to see?
Kayryn: I like crossovers and I come up with pairings, but I always manage to convince myself no one else likes them
Cherokee62: I love crossovers. I’ve moved Ziva thru most of the tv line up…such a whore lol
Cherokee62: but Emily…Emily can go anywhere and it will be good
Alsike: hey, she’s got a lot of secrets in her past.
Mapsnika: Criminal crossover with Law&Order are good Emily and Olivia or JJ and Alex
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… write them Kayryn… you never know who will like it
Alsike: most of those secrets are women.
Cherokee62: so true Alsike
fsc_ralst: I’d like to read a prison show crossover. show a relationship – platonic or not – with a criminal from another show
Cherokee62: I would like to even see more scifi with Em
Alsike: I’d like that
Cherokee62: Emily and Helen Magnus….HGWells from WH13 would be damn hot!
Gin Akasarahsmom: but.. but… HG/Myka…. can’t be messing with my HG/Myka!
Alsike: I have a thing about not wanting Emily to be sad, which means I have a hard time with very short x-overs. I have to write until Emily is not so sad anymore.
Cherokee62: i know..i love them too but…but…
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL
Cherokee62: Emily and HG….smokin’!
Alsike: I’d be cool with BroTP
Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily and Helen Magnus though…
Gin Akasarahsmom: that could work
Cherokee62: actually got that thought reading the description for the scifi panel lol
Kayryn: and I could totally see HG and Emily
Cherokee62: Emily, heln in the Tardis….made my head swim
Kayryn: that’s actually been one of my ideas
fsc_ralst: TARDIS rules
Cherokee62: throw in river song and I’m front row lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: Doctor Who/Criminal Minds crossover… wow
Kayryn: @Cherokee… well, she did go to London
Cherokee62: i know…my mind burns at the possibilities
fsc_ralst: River/Emily? Yes, please
Alsike: I had one of those – Emily as a Time Lord, but it got out of control and turned into a WMC/SPN crossover with extra crazy backstory.
Cherokee62: i could sooo see that
Cherokee62: my muse is even perking an eyebrow
Cherokee62: first time in months haha
fsc_ralst: the power of the Con
Cherokee62: that’s the danger…it could get out of control lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: it is amazing
Gin Akasarahsmom: stories do easily get out of control
Cherokee62: lol lord dont i know it
Cherokee62: i need a panel on how to write a short story not an epic. got that down pretty well
Alsike: I seem to come in at 20k a lot.
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL
fsc_ralst: When your mind starts to wander to all those lovely plot points, lick a lightbulb… works wonders
Kayryn: do you usually figure out the structure of the story from beginning to end or do you just make it up as you go along?
Cherokee62: that’s when I wonder if they will ever stop talking….
Gin Akasarahsmom: they are talking about epics in the other room… 10-20K… really? that’s a short story for me
Cherokee62: write it as I go along unfortunately
mandygirl78: No, more like 100k
Alsike: totally – if inspired I can write one in a day.
Gin Akasarahsmom: no kidding Mandy
mandygirl78: that’s what we’re talking about now
Alsike: I save that for original fiction…
Cherokee62: 30-40k is my norm
Alsike: or I just depress my readers by having my characters break up at the end so I can write a sequel.
Gin Akasarahsmom: ouch
Cherokee62: my problem is people always ask for sequels
the_dhamphir: no, we said 60k minumum is an epic.
Cherokee62: but once i’m done i’m done
Gin Akasarahsmom: I can always write sequels… and always get asked for them…
Alsike: if a story ends, it ends. Leave it alone.
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL.. thanks for the clarification D… I only have the window very small in the corner of my screen
Cherokee62: i have a hard time with them. I just say ‘we’ll see” and slip away quietly
Mapsnika: I’m writing a CM fic thats 100k and counting
Kayryn: I find it funny on FFnet when ppl follow my completed stories
Cherokee62: good lord! I’m impressed
Alsike: that works usually
Cherokee62: I do too Kayryn
Gin Akasarahsmom: That is a thing with Criminal Minds.. as it is episodic in nature… do the fanfics follow that and tend to be one shots too?
Alsike: I get that too – and I’m like – no! Over!
Cherokee62: or when i get a follow notice for a story 4 years old. tickles me to no end
Alsike: well, I did actually finish a story after ten years once.
Kayryn: @cherokee, I get that too!
Alsike: I was a little appalled
Gin Akasarahsmom: I am of the “soap opera” school.. and my stories tend to just keep going… much like a Sim’s game… the characters continue, even if you aren’t reading/writing them
Kayryn: and I’m like “really?”
Cherokee62: i see a lot of CM fanfics that go on for multi sequels
Cherokee62: to me if you have a case…once its over its over.
Alsike: For CM I like to write crimes – so that’s the arc – so sometimes the relationship stuff isn’t complete
Kayryn: and when they get multi sequels, I don’t read them
Kayryn: It’s horrible, but I’m so picky!
Cherokee62: same here. unless it floored me right out the gate
Alsike: (I’m also such a liar. I’m like – when it’s over, it’s over, but I really like to write timestamps for some fics)
Alsike: (Only AUs though)
Cherokee62: what do you mean by timestamps?
Alsike: a few years after the end of the story – have another scene to see how the characters are doing.
Cherokee62: ah ok
Alsike: usually they are snarking
Alsike: and Elizabeth is unhappy that they’re still together
Gin Akasarahsmom: Epilogue
Cherokee62: that doesnt really could as a sequel does it?
Alsike: similar – but sometimes you need an Epilogue of the Epilogue
Cherokee62: just in case they’re still happy?
Kayryn: speaking of Elizabeth, does everyone but me hate/dislike her?
Gin Akasarahsmom: no.. not a sequel… but that is what I call another scene at the end of the story set a while after the story ends
Alsike: timestamp is a bit shorter.
Alsike: (of a word)
Cherokee62: remind me who elizabeth is?
Alsike: I just love having a mom character.
Otakugamer01: i’m so behind on the show kinda quit watching it so I don’t know anything about Elizabeth
Alsike: sometimes a story needs a mom.
Alsike: Emily’s Mom – not recent
Cherokee62: oh The Ambassador
Gin Akasarahsmom: I love Emily’s mom
Alsike: we’re on a first name basis
Gin Akasarahsmom: Kate Jackson!
Cherokee62: I love Kate Jackson..gotta get that out there
Cherokee62: but Emily’s mom is a bitch. lol
Alsike: extra drama
the_dhamphir: Kate Jackson what my first celebrity crush
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…
Cherokee62: mine too
Cherokee62: still have a soft spot for her. *sigh*
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… 15 minutes left…
Cherokee62: but she is good for story lines to explain some of the Emily mystic
Alsike: I did kill her off in my main series. It started the story on a lovely bit of angst.
Kayryn: I liked Elizabeth… She’s not much of a mother, but I do think she loves Emily in her way… she just never spent time with her and is awkward with her… and she ends up not understanding her daughter
Cherokee62: gee we barely talked about sexy ole JJ
Gin Akasarahsmom: Mommy issues are always fun to give a character
Alsike: oh yeah
Gin Akasarahsmom: start talking C…. JJ is a lovely subject
Kayryn: but then again, I loved Erin Strauss from the very first episode she was in… LOL
Cherokee62: she chose her career over her daughter…great stuff to work with!
Alsike: and Emma is a lot like her mother – in all of the worst ways
Cherokee62: i always had a love/hate thing with Strauss
Cherokee62: but I will admit I cried when they killed her.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I was very sad when she died…
Kayryn: I couldn’t watch it first
Cherokee62: i’m trying to write a story where JJ finds out Will was cheating
Kayryn: I had to wait till lysachan and I were in the same city
Cherokee62: with the partner that was killed during the finale hit & run
Gin Akasarahsmom: he’s too much of a wuss to cheat
Cherokee62: this will bring Emily back from London…*g*
Kayryn: I’m all for bringing Emily back home
Cherokee62: no he’s stupid. Bayou boy has no idea what he has…and will throw it away cus he thinks she should be more of a stay at home mom
Gin Akasarahsmom: true… he is an asshat..
Cherokee62: lol yes he is
Gin Akasarahsmom: it totally ticked me off when she was pregnant and he wanted her to stay out of the field…
Cherokee62: and in my world he hates Emily and always taunts her that he ‘won’ JJ
Cherokee62: one day I think Emily might just shoot him but we’ll see lol
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe…
Kayryn: I *hated* Will for outing JJ’s pregnancy to the team
Cherokee62: with Emily gone though…if you had to who would you pair her up with?
Kayryn: I hate the way he made it public he’s asked her to marry him
Cherokee62: makes 2 of us. she could have been a single mom
Kayryn: @Cherokee, do you mean who we’d pair JJ with?
Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… I’ve already told you…. Garcia! 😛
Alsike: Definitely Garcia.
Cherokee62: lol still batting for Garcia huh?
Kayryn: I don’t know… I don’t honestly see her with anyone but Emily
Gin Akasarahsmom: Henry would be hacking computers all over the world before he was in pre-school
Alsike: (Though In my world I kind of secretly ship her with Ororo…)
Kayryn: I’d actually love to read a fic where JJ goes to join Emily in London
Cherokee62: I’ve toyed with that but still in the thinking stage.
Gin Akasarahsmom: so many possibilities…
Cherokee62: need to learn more about London. lol
Alsike: but why… murder? There should always be murder.
Kayryn: Why JJ’d go to London?
Cherokee62: I would have to go outside of the Cm universe if I wanted to get her a different lover.
Gin Akasarahsmom: so the FBI would go international?
Alsike: yeah – vacation plans that turn into murder?
Kayryn: Will cheated on her, she found out. Needed a shoulder to cry on and a breather
Gin Akasarahsmom: that works too… hurt/comfort
Alsike: meh – relationship angst makes me twitch
Cherokee62: that’s the one I was leaning toward, for the shoulder
Alsike: extra murder
Cherokee62: but Jj is becoming a stronger woman then she used to be
Kayryn: JJ goes to London to see Emily, figures out she likes the city and she just keeps on staying
Cherokee62: I dont think she would come to Emily like that anymore
Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily would come to her though…
Cherokee62: and no reason murder couldnt be added…or attempted murder at least
Kayryn: she comes back to the States and realizes just how much she misses Emily again, and with Will being a dick, JJ decides to get a divorce
Cherokee62: we must have ANGST!
Gin Akasarahsmom: maybe there is a murder and Emily contacts JJ about it?
Kayryn: Emily’s all open for JJ to “come and stay with her for a while”
Cherokee62: god I should be writting this down
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. because Emily is not stupid.. LOL
Gin Akasarahsmom: there will be transcripts C
Cherokee62: thank god.
Kayryn: and when JJ mentions this to Will, he doesn’t really care ‘cos he’s all about the new lady in his life
Cherokee62: where were you people when I was going nuts at 3am?
Gin Akasarahsmom: Four minutes until the Devil Wears Prada panel
Cherokee62: these are great ideas!
Kayryn: JJ’s asking Will what about Henry, and Will says the new chick isn’t really into kids
Cherokee62: lol I may get this fic done after all
Kayryn: JJ’s furious…
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL Yay!!
Cherokee62: oh Will would give up Henry unless he decides to be a bigger dick and fight for custody just to make them miserable for a little bit
Gin Akasarahsmom: Two minutes left…. Any final comments??
Kayryn: JJ talks with Emily on the phone and Emily is being a “good friend”, supportive etc.
Kayryn: Garcia fianlly tells JJ to get her ass back to London
Kayryn: details to be solved later
Cherokee62: I just want to say thank you. For allowing me to be on the panel…for a certain someone for talking me into it and for all the great ideas! Damn Con is a blast!
Alsike: Yes! Thank you!
Cherokee62: and write more CM and more Em/JJ icons
Gin Akasarahsmom: Glad to have you all here…
Kayryn: Had a blast! Thanks for keeping the chat lively and proving the CM fandom is a long way from being dead
Gin Akasarahsmom: hopefully more CM fanfic will be coming soon…