Criminal Minds

Gin Akasarahsmom: Criminal Minds is starting… Now!

Gin Akasarahsmom: Will all the panelists for the Criminal Minds panel please change their font color to red…

Gin Akasarahsmom: and we can get this party started!

Gin Akasarahsmom: If you would… panelists… please introduce yourselves…

Kayryn: Right

Kayryn: Welcome everyone!

Cherokee62: Hi everyone, I’m Cherokee62 I write CM femslash as well as CSI and a few other crossovers

Alsike: Hello!  I’m Alsike.  I wrote an excessive amount of Criminal Minds/X-Men crossovers.

alannasky: whedonist…i got your info and send it back…talk to u guys later…have to go do some errands be back later

Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m Gin.. and I’m supposed to be hosting this thing… however, I’m going to pretty much sit back and watch you all chat… asking questions every once in a while to keep things moving…

Kayryn: I’m Kayryn and I sometimes write CM femslash, but mostly I make manips and other graphics these days for CM, WH13 and OUaT

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. there will be transcripts available in a few days

Gin Akasarahsmom: Okay… so.. Criminal Minds… What draws you to this Fandom?

Cherokee62: For me it was originally the intelligence of the show

Alsike: Emily Prentiss

Kayryn: for me it’s the crimes, the psychology and the writing

Cherokee62: I stayed for Emily & JJ

Kayryn: and then hot women

Kayryn: I loved Elle, thought I’d quit the show when she left, only to totally fall in love with Emily

Cherokee62: It was original for its time when it started, nothing like it on tv

Alsike: I really liked reading up on profiling, but I really like angsty backstory, apparently.

Kayryn: and I have nothing against Alex either

Gin Akasarahsmom: So am I correct that most people’s favorite pairings include Emily?

Cherokee62: I’m the opposite, Elle didn’t grab me, Emily joining kept me with the show

Kayryn: I like Emily/JJ, but I also love Erin/Alex

Cherokee62: JJ& Emily only for me

fsc_ralst: Yes

Alsike: Um, there are other characters?

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL!

Cherokee62: lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: Garcia?

Gin Akasarahsmom: I actually like Garcia/JJ

Gin Akasarahsmom: but NO ONE writes that

Kayryn: I like Garcia, but I don’t really ship her with anyone

Cherokee62: Garcia is a doll but I could never see her with JJ or Emily

Cherokee62: morgan…she and he are perfect

Gin Akasarahsmom: I can see her with JJ…

Gin Akasarahsmom: I adore her interactions with Morgan

Whedonist: There’s one solid series of Garcia with a lady…

Alsike: I kind of ship the team dynamic in general.

Gin Akasarahsmom: but as far as femslash goes.. Garcia/JJ would be neat, I think

fsc_ralst: what about Garcia and an original female character?

Whedonist: it’s up on P&P, other than that I don’t see her with anyone else, mostly it’s JJ/Emily.

Alsike: Garcia/Sage

Cherokee62: maybe an original yeah

Cherokee62: but JJ is too bff or sisterly in my eyes

Gin Akasarahsmom: Since Emily left… how did that impact the fanfic… in your opinoin?

Cherokee62: for me…not at all

fsc_ralst: There are a few Garcia/Abby (NCIS) fics around

Cherokee62: I ignore the asshats at cbs and Emily will always be there

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I see… that is always an option Cherokee… ignoring the asshats

Cherokee62: lol

Kayryn: I don’t think it has a lot of impact… I mean that’s why we have fanfic, to create what we don’t get from the show

Gin Akasarahsmom: Otaku  you have a question?

Alsike: I kind of wandered off into my own fanon a while ago.

Cherokee62: why I started writing femslash…they were annoying me

Otakugamer01: what’s your favorite way to write around the canon male love interests in the show?

Kayryn: It depends on the character and the situation, really

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah… to put JJ with Emily.. you have to write out JJ’s dude

Cherokee62: lol, i either make him a non-entity…or have him dumped

Gin Akasarahsmom: which would be great.. because I can’t stand that guy

Alsike: I usually just don’t use JJ

Cherokee62: I don’t like Will.  Never have

Gin Akasarahsmom: but I adore her little baby… lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: the guy that plays Will annoys me

Kayryn: Will… ugh… the man looks like he’s always high

Cherokee62: his purpose in my fics is to explain Henry only…and for general angst

Cherokee62: lol so true

Alsike: but I’ve just been writing a lovely – Will being an asshat when Henry turns out to be gay – story.

Alsike: It got rid of him pretty fast.

Cherokee62: oh that would be a good one

Otakugamer01: i like fics where Henry is closer to Emily

Gin Akasarahsmom: ah… nice

Cherokee62: i’ve toyed with the idea of killing him but that would require JJ to be upset and I dont want to deal with her going thru that

Kayryn: and I can’t stand the way Will treats JJ and how it’s supposed to be “understanding”

Kayryn: when he’s really just being a dick

Kayryn: excuse my language

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah

fsc_ralst: totally

Gin Akasarahsmom: Whedonist… go ahead

Cherokee62: was it just me or were they beginning to set up a story line of him being unfaithful before they jumped to marriage when Prentiss left?

Whedonist: Where do you guys post your work, i don’t see much going up on LJ, so…?

Kayryn: @Whedonist, I post my fics on and AO3

Cherokee62: Most of mine is on as well as LJ but I haven’t posted in a while.  RL being a pain at moment

Alsike: Mainly LJ for CM, but I’ve been out of the game for a while.  Grad school.

Kayryn: and my graphics go to tumblr

Gin Akasarahsmom: I usually just read from… or Ralst’s site

fsc_ralst: so you’re the one

Cherokee62: i find, you see the interest more than you do on lj

Alsike: I’m trying to crosspost stuff to A03 – since they’ll let in my weird porn.

Whedonist: Nice, thanks.

Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe

Alsike: tags….

Cherokee62: i’m just moving to AO3 now

fsc_ralst: AO3 needs a PM system but other than that it’s pretty good.

Alsike: It is also like 2% femslash.  We must invade.

Kayryn: @ralst, so true

Cherokee62: lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol

fsc_ralst: Yes, femslash can be lost in the dark recesses on big sites. So invasion, yes

Gin Akasarahsmom: how do the newer epsisodes effect your fanfics, if at all…

Alsike: oh, actually 3.53%

Whedonist: I’m sensing a call to action brewing…I’ll bring the popcorn.

Cherokee62: they annoy my muse lol

Kayryn: well, for me it created a new pairing… I wrote two Alex/Erin stories…

Cherokee62: I have nothing against the new character but I dont care for Alex.

Gin Akasarahsmom: Erin….

Alsike: I am so out of the loop.  I should probably watch some.  It might light a fire.

Kayryn: but I still keep coming up with stuff for Emily/JJ

Alsike: I just have seven million half-written ideas.

Cherokee62: i’m glad JJ is getting better story lines now.

Kayryn: @Gin: Erin Strauss

Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily/JJ is popular…

Alsike: not with me

Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah.. but… Erin… isn’t there anymore.. so…

Cherokee62: Karyn how will you handle Erin’s death?

Kayryn: yeah well… that’s what fic is for, I say

Cherokee62: Amen

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I see

Gin Akasarahsmom: of course

Kayryn: @cherokee I wrote two ficlets

Alsike: fic = creative denial

Gin Akasarahsmom: fanfic is always for fixing the powers that be screw ups

Cherokee62: They could be a good pairing now that I think of it. I never think past my girls I confess

fsc_ralst: The way they tend to remove the female characters, while leaving the male characters alone (except when the actor walks off) really annoys me about this show

Kayryn: I figured she was going to die way back when Jayne thanked everyone on Facebook for the support she’d had…

Gin Akasarahsmom: How do you think the dynamic will change if/when Garcia leaves?

Gin Akasarahsmom: Garcia and JJ both right?

Kayryn: I hate the way they treat women on this show

Cherokee62: Yeah CBS really screwed up on the whole get rid of the women bullcrap

Gin Akasarahsmom: They were having some contract disputes

fsc_ralst: total stupid move

fsc_ralst: move( s )

Cherokee62: I’m honestly shicked the sow survived that fiasco

Alsike: god, guys tend to register as an amorphous blob to me unless they say something funny.  I won’t watch.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I do like Derek Morgan and his interactions with Garcia

Cherokee62: I love all the team members but I dont think I would watch if it was just the guys.  They need the females to balance out all that testerone

Cherokee62: I love Derek Morgan. Great Character

Kayryn: I used to like Derek, but having watched and rewatched the eps enough times, he’s annoying me these days

Mapsnika: they add drama that the males lack

fsc_ralst: Plus, a show where women are killed in masse needs the balance of strong female core characters, otherwise it’s just icky

Alsike: truth

Gin Akasarahsmom: I won’t watch without Garcia… but do you think that those characters leaving the show will increase or decrease the fanfiction output for the fandom?

Cherokee62: *nods*

fsc_ralst: the amount of fic has been dropping for years, since they started messing with JJ/Em and brought in the Will-bot

Cherokee62: I think the diehard shippers won’t blink an eye and just keep writing for their OTPs

Alsike:   the will-bot started me writing for the show.

Cherokee62: Who do you ship Alsike?

Alsike: I ship Emma Frost/Emily Prentiss (desperately)

Alsike: (two years of my life – gone)

Cherokee62: Ah I’ve read a few of those! (fans self)

Kayryn: Emily/JJ will always be special to me, it was the first femslash couple I *knew* I was writing femslash fic about… earlier couple from another fandom was disguised as friendship

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL

Alsike: I read a ton of Emily/JJ, but when the baby-storyline arrived, I just couldn’t stand the angst

Cherokee62: Same for me.  First couple I ever wrote for.

Gin Akasarahsmom: our first pairing is always special Kayryn

Alsike: I’m like “Emily!  Move on!  Get over her!”

Cherokee62: Sometimes I drop the kid…won’t lie

fsc_ralst: lol

Alsike: totally valid

fsc_ralst: on its head?

Kayryn: lol


Gin Akasarahsmom: lol C

Cherokee62: I like to write Emily in my crossovers.  I’ve paired her with Ziva David, (my personal fav)

Cherokee62: lol

Alsike: nice

Gin Akasarahsmom: I seem to see a lot of crossovers with the Criminal Minds fandom

Gin Akasarahsmom: mostly with other crime shows

Cherokee62: She has always struck me as a wild one…a dog so to speak., lol

Cherokee62: i save the romance for JJ

fsc_ralst: Do you think we’ll see more crossovers as the female characters leave?

Alsike: It’s easy to see all the crime shows as existing in the same world

Gin Akasarahsmom: are there any crossovers you like in particular? or want to see?

Kayryn: I like crossovers and I come up with pairings, but I always manage to convince myself no one else likes them

Cherokee62: I love crossovers.  I’ve moved Ziva thru most of the tv line up…such a whore lol

Alsike: lol

Cherokee62: but Emily…Emily can go anywhere and it will be good

Alsike: hey, she’s got a lot of secrets in her past.

Mapsnika: Criminal crossover with Law&Order are good Emily and Olivia or JJ and Alex

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… write them Kayryn… you never know who will like it

Alsike: most of those secrets are women.

Cherokee62: so true Alsike

fsc_ralst: I’d like to read a prison show crossover. show a relationship – platonic or not – with a criminal from another show

Cherokee62: I would like to even see more scifi with Em

Alsike: I’d like that

Cherokee62: Emily and Helen Magnus….HGWells from WH13 would be damn hot!

Gin Akasarahsmom: but.. but… HG/Myka…. can’t be messing with my HG/Myka!

Alsike: I have a thing about not wanting Emily to be sad, which means I have a hard time with very short x-overs.  I have to write until Emily is not so sad anymore.

Cherokee62: i know..i love them too but…but…

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL

Cherokee62: Emily and HG….smokin’!

Alsike: I’d be cool with BroTP

Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily and Helen Magnus though…

Gin Akasarahsmom: that could work

Cherokee62: actually got that thought reading the description for the scifi panel lol

Kayryn: and I could totally see HG and Emily

Cherokee62: Emily, heln in the Tardis….made my head swim

Kayryn: that’s actually been one of my ideas

fsc_ralst: TARDIS rules

Cherokee62: throw in river song and I’m front row lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: Doctor Who/Criminal Minds crossover… wow

Kayryn: @Cherokee… well, she did go to London

Cherokee62: i know…my mind burns at the possibilities

fsc_ralst: River/Emily? Yes, please

Alsike: I had one of those – Emily as a Time Lord, but it got out of control and turned into a WMC/SPN crossover with extra crazy backstory.

Cherokee62: i could sooo see that

Cherokee62: my muse is even perking an eyebrow

Cherokee62: first time in months haha



fsc_ralst: the power of the Con

Cherokee62: that’s the danger…it could get out of control lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: it is amazing

Gin Akasarahsmom: stories do easily get out of control

Cherokee62: lol lord dont i know it

Alsike: yeahhh

Cherokee62: i need a panel on how to write a short story not an epic.  got that down pretty well

Alsike: I seem to come in at 20k a lot.

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL

fsc_ralst: When your mind starts to wander to all those lovely plot points, lick a lightbulb… works wonders

Kayryn: do you usually figure out the structure of the story from beginning to end or do you just make it up as you go along?

Cherokee62: that’s when I wonder if they will ever stop talking….

Gin Akasarahsmom: they are talking about epics in the other room… 10-20K… really?  that’s a short story for me

Cherokee62: write it as I go along unfortunately

mandygirl78: No, more like 100k

Alsike: totally – if inspired I can write one in a day.

Gin Akasarahsmom: no kidding Mandy

mandygirl78: that’s what we’re talking about now

Alsike: I save that for original fiction…

Cherokee62: 30-40k is my norm

Alsike: or I just depress my readers by having my characters break up at the end so I can write a sequel.

Gin Akasarahsmom: ouch

Cherokee62: my problem is people always ask for sequels

the_dhamphir: no, we said 60k minumum is an epic.

Cherokee62: but once i’m done i’m done

Gin Akasarahsmom: I can always write sequels… and always get asked for them…

Alsike: if a story ends, it ends.  Leave it alone.

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL.. thanks for the clarification D… I only have the window very small in the corner of my screen

Cherokee62: i have a hard time with them.  I just say ‘we’ll see” and slip away quietly

Mapsnika: I’m writing a CM fic thats 100k and counting

Kayryn: I find it funny on FFnet when ppl follow my completed stories

Cherokee62: good lord! I’m impressed

Alsike: that works usually

Cherokee62: I do too Kayryn

Gin Akasarahsmom: That is a thing with Criminal Minds.. as it is episodic in nature… do the fanfics follow that and tend to be one shots too?

Alsike: I get that too – and I’m like – no!  Over!

Cherokee62: or when i get a follow notice for a story 4 years old.  tickles me to no end

Alsike: well, I did actually finish a story after ten years once.

Kayryn: @cherokee, I get that too!

Alsike: I was a little appalled

Gin Akasarahsmom: I am of the “soap opera” school.. and my stories tend to just keep going… much like a Sim’s game… the characters continue, even if you aren’t reading/writing them

Kayryn: and I’m like “really?”

Cherokee62: i see a lot of CM fanfics that go on for multi sequels

Cherokee62: to me if you have a case…once its over its over.

Alsike: For CM I like to write crimes – so that’s the arc – so sometimes the relationship stuff isn’t complete

Kayryn: and when they get multi sequels, I don’t read them

Kayryn: It’s horrible, but I’m so picky!

Cherokee62: same here.  unless it floored me right out the gate

Kayryn: right

Alsike: (I’m also such a liar.  I’m like – when it’s over, it’s over, but I really like to write timestamps for some fics)

Alsike: (Only AUs though)

Cherokee62: what do you mean by timestamps?

Alsike: a few years after the end of the story – have another scene to see how the characters are doing.

Cherokee62: ah ok

Alsike: usually they are snarking

Cherokee62: lol

Alsike: and Elizabeth is unhappy that they’re still together

Gin Akasarahsmom: Epilogue

Cherokee62: that doesnt really could as a sequel does it?

Alsike: similar – but sometimes you need an Epilogue of the Epilogue

Cherokee62: just in case they’re still happy?

Kayryn: speaking of Elizabeth, does everyone but me hate/dislike her?

Gin Akasarahsmom: no.. not a sequel… but that is what I call another scene at the end of the story set a while after the story ends

Alsike: timestamp is a bit shorter.

Alsike: (of a word)

Cherokee62: remind me who elizabeth is?

Alsike: I just love having a mom character.

Otakugamer01: i’m so behind on the show kinda quit watching it so I don’t know anything about Elizabeth

Alsike: sometimes a story needs a mom.

Alsike: Emily’s Mom – not recent

Cherokee62: oh The Ambassador

Gin Akasarahsmom: I love Emily’s mom

Alsike: we’re on a first name basis

Gin Akasarahsmom: Kate Jackson!

Cherokee62: I love Kate Jackson..gotta get that out there

Cherokee62: but Emily’s mom is a bitch. lol

Alsike: extra drama

the_dhamphir: Kate Jackson what my first celebrity crush

Gin Akasarahsmom: lol…

Cherokee62: mine too

Cherokee62: still have a soft spot for her.  *sigh*


Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… 15 minutes left…

Cherokee62: but she is good for story lines to explain some of the Emily mystic

Alsike: I did kill her off in my main series.  It started the story on a lovely bit of angst.

Kayryn: I liked Elizabeth… She’s not much of a mother, but I do think she loves Emily in her way… she just never spent time with her and is awkward with her… and she ends up not understanding her daughter

Cherokee62: gee we barely talked about sexy ole JJ

Gin Akasarahsmom: Mommy issues are always fun to give a character

Alsike: oh yeah

Gin Akasarahsmom: start talking C…. JJ is a lovely subject

Kayryn: but then again, I loved Erin Strauss from the very first episode she was in… LOL

Cherokee62: she chose her career over her daughter…great stuff to work with!

Alsike: and Emma is a lot like her mother – in all of the worst ways

Cherokee62: i always had a love/hate thing with Strauss

Cherokee62: but I will admit I cried when they killed her.

Gin Akasarahsmom: I was very sad when she died…

Kayryn: I couldn’t watch it first

Cherokee62: i’m trying to write a story where JJ finds out Will was cheating

Kayryn: I had to wait till lysachan and I were in the same city

Kayryn: ol

Cherokee62: with the partner that was killed during the finale hit & run

Kayryn: *lol’

Gin Akasarahsmom: he’s too much of a wuss to cheat

Cherokee62: this will bring Emily back from London…*g*

Kayryn: I’m all for bringing Emily back home

Cherokee62: no he’s stupid. Bayou boy has no idea what he has…and will throw it away cus he thinks she should be more of a stay at home mom

Gin Akasarahsmom: true… he is an asshat..

Cherokee62: lol yes he is

Gin Akasarahsmom: it totally ticked me off when she was pregnant and he wanted her to stay out of the field…

Cherokee62: and in my world he hates Emily and always taunts her that he ‘won’ JJ

Cherokee62: one day I think Emily might just shoot him but we’ll see lol

Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe…

Kayryn: I *hated* Will for outing JJ’s pregnancy to the team

Cherokee62: with Emily gone though…if you had to who would you pair her up with?

Kayryn: I hate the way he made it public he’s asked her to marry him

Cherokee62: makes 2 of us. she could have been a single mom

Kayryn: @Cherokee, do you mean who we’d pair JJ with?

Gin Akasarahsmom: rofl… I’ve already told you…. Garcia! 😛

Cherokee62: yeah

Alsike: Definitely Garcia.

Cherokee62: lol still batting for Garcia huh?

Kayryn: I don’t know… I don’t honestly see her with anyone but Emily

Gin Akasarahsmom: Henry would be hacking computers all over the world before he was in pre-school

Alsike: (Though In my world I kind of secretly ship her with Ororo…)

Cherokee62: lmao

Kayryn: I’d actually love to read a fic where JJ goes to join Emily in London

Cherokee62: I’ve toyed with that but still in the thinking stage.

Gin Akasarahsmom: so many possibilities…

Cherokee62: need to learn more about London. lol

Alsike: but why… murder?  There should always be murder.

Kayryn: Why JJ’d go to London?

Cherokee62: I would have to go outside of the Cm universe if I wanted to get her a different lover.

Gin Akasarahsmom: so the FBI would go international? 

Alsike: yeah – vacation plans that turn into murder?

Kayryn: Will cheated on her, she found out. Needed a shoulder to cry on and a breather

Gin Akasarahsmom: that works too… hurt/comfort

Alsike: meh – relationship angst makes me twitch

Cherokee62: that’s the one I was leaning toward, for the shoulder

Alsike: extra murder

Cherokee62: but Jj is becoming a stronger woman then she used to be

Kayryn: JJ goes to London to see Emily, figures out she likes the city and she just keeps on staying

Cherokee62: I dont think she would come to Emily like that anymore

Gin Akasarahsmom: Emily would come to her though…

Cherokee62: and no reason murder couldnt be added…or attempted murder at least

Kayryn: she comes back to the States and realizes just how much she misses Emily again, and with Will being a dick, JJ decides to get a divorce

Cherokee62: we must have ANGST!

Gin Akasarahsmom: maybe there is a murder and Emily contacts JJ about it?

Kayryn: Emily’s all open for JJ to “come and stay with her for a while”

Cherokee62: god I should be writting this down

Gin Akasarahsmom: yes.. because Emily is not stupid.. LOL

Gin Akasarahsmom: there will be transcripts C

Cherokee62: thank god.

Kayryn: and when JJ mentions this to Will, he doesn’t really care ‘cos he’s all about the new lady in his life

Cherokee62: where were you people when I was going nuts at 3am?

Gin Akasarahsmom: Four minutes until the Devil Wears Prada panel

Cherokee62: no

Cherokee62: these are great ideas!

Kayryn: JJ’s asking Will what about Henry, and Will says the new chick isn’t really into kids

Cherokee62: lol I may get this fic done after all

Kayryn: JJ’s furious…

Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL  Yay!!

Cherokee62: oh Will would give up Henry unless he decides to be a bigger dick and fight for custody just to make them miserable for a little bit

Gin Akasarahsmom: Two minutes left…. Any final comments??

Kayryn: JJ talks with Emily on the phone and Emily is being a “good friend”, supportive etc.

Kayryn: Garcia fianlly tells JJ to get her ass back to London

Kayryn: details to be solved later

Kayryn: lol

Cherokee62: I just want to say thank you.  For allowing me to be on the panel…for a certain someone for talking me into it and for all the great ideas!  Damn Con is a blast!

Alsike: Yes!  Thank you!

Cherokee62: and write more CM and more Em/JJ icons

Gin Akasarahsmom: Glad to have you all here…

Kayryn: Had a blast! Thanks for keeping the chat lively and proving the CM fandom is a long way from being dead



Gin Akasarahsmom: hopefully more CM fanfic will be coming soon…

Cherokee62: fingerscrossed

Alsike: yep!


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