quietheartedfsc: And our panelists are Gin, Jazzy, XV and the Punkmeister
Gin Akasarahsmom: Hello everyone
punky_96: Hey everybody
Xenavirgin: Hide hi
Xenavirgin: Ahhhhhhh the usual suspects I see. heheheeh
quietheartedfsc: my co-host for this panel is the inimitable BeachBum
Ravenfairy11: *quietly fangirls in the corner of the room, omfg so excited*
beachbum3668: Good afternoon all
jazwriter: haha Raven
raiderL: LOL! raven
Xenavirgin: Raven you’re so cute.
jazwriter: this is a good excuse for me to stop moving heavy boxes
Ravenfairy11: aww shucks.
beachbum3668: somebody get ravenfairy a glass of cool water and some oxygen
quietheartedfsc: I doubt they truly require an introduction by anything other than name.
punky_96: was that a minion kiss, XV? lol
Ravenfairy11: lol already got the ice water. thanks
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL…
Gin Akasarahsmom: Raven is fine…
Xenavirgin: Do I give any other kind these days? lol
beachbum3668: Oxygen it is then, raven
Gin Akasarahsmom: she’s already met me and Jaz in person..
punky_96: hee hee. minion kisses rock.
Ravenfairy11: yeah and i was surprised i kept my cool.
jazwriter: true that!
Xenavirgin: But I’m not wearing the dress. lolol
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yeah… who are you people.. what have you written!? 😛
jazwriter: nothing, I write nothing
quietheartedfsc: Recently we’ve more and more seen fandom coms fading out as writers begin to post in multiple other sites.
Xenavirgin: I’m XV and I’ve written….words!
jazwriter: Woot! XV…and you write very pretty words
quietheartedfsc: These fine folks here have gone out of their way to keep DWP alive and producing.
Xenavirgin: Point QH. But the Minions have been dragging kids back to Mirandy.
jazwriter: and so have you, QH
quietheartedfsc: ty, jaz and true dat, xv
jazwriter: Punky and XV have done a great job generating more interest
Xenavirgin: Yeah QH, Mystery Minion!
ElfJet: I agree!
quietheartedfsc: and that’s a good part of what we want to talk about. Those very efforts.
raiderL: Yeah, this July ficathon was a great idea!
Xenavirgin: Have you seen those Microfics?? So many newbies giving it a go.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Microfics was a genius idea
Xenavirgin: Brave, brave Gin, doing a micro fic.
quietheartedfsc: Punky with her xv minion has been creating various challenges on DWP com.
quietheartedfsc: XV has her yahoo group
Gin Akasarahsmom: I know right! 10 words.. who knew!?
punky_96: I think the timing on the microfics made the difference and I love that I could highlight Telanu and the others that did it before on DWP com
quietheartedfsc: and Gin is overlord of the facebook group
Xenavirgin: QH, we also need to say kudos to Lox, for the Poke the Dragon.
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… GUN is my master in that… but I am an admin there…
raiderL: Gin, how many peeps subscribe on the FB group?
Ravenfairy11: yeah poke the dragon.
Xenavirgin: It was really great how that slotted in so well
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yay! Gun!
beachbum3668: 192 members in the FB group
Gin Akasarahsmom: did you hear your name? are your ears burning?
quietheartedfsc: Definitely kudos to Lox and to Gunn.
gunbrooke: Howdy folks
quietheartedfsc: Hello, Gun and welcome
raiderL: Hi Gun!
quietheartedfsc: And the master mind of FB DWP
jazwriter: Hi Gun!
Gin Akasarahsmom: we were taking about the Facebook Group
gunbrooke: thank you QH – thought I’d drop in a bit
Kayryn: Hi Gun
aloujaxon: hello all…
quietheartedfsc: It’s wonderful to have you, Gun
Ravenfairy11: Bonjour Gun.
Gin Akasarahsmom: always.. ALWAYS Welcome!!
Xenavirgin: Oh and I have 476 members on the Yahoo Group.
beachbum3668: Hey AJ
Ravenfairy11: hello jaxon
gunbrooke: My guilty conscience you mean, Gin – I’ve been neglecting it lately. I’m sorry.
quietheartedfsc: And lou our Mystery Minion Fic winner. Who got more than she bargained for. lol
gunbrooke: Yay! XV – that is super cool
Gin Akasarahsmom: no worries.. we’ll keep it running while you go off and play.
jazwriter: hiya AJ
Xenavirgin: What’d she get QH???
punky_96: did she get a preview?
aloujaxon: i’ll let qh tell ya
quietheartedfsc: First read of a story that just came out today. Only she said she thought she’d read it before so I sent her 4 more. lol
gunbrooke: Thanks Gin
jazwriter: I got to read it first “ish” since I betaed the story
punky_96: four! yay!
raiderL: Oooo, haven’t been over to the site yet today, gotta check it out!
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL…*glares at QH* what story??
Xenavirgin: Ppfffffftt stop bragging Jazzy. heheh
Ravenfairy11: the 2 that dropped in ralst today.
gunbrooke: I look forward to really emerging myself in all the new DWP stuff – I’ve saved most of it until I got back.
aloujaxon: yes, i would imagine the beta’s would get first crack! lol
quietheartedfsc: There are currently 4-5 new stories out there from me.
quietheartedfsc: 2 on the P&P IDF update
Ravenfairy11: oh hot damn there is more.
jazwriter: it counterbalances all the slaving away I do while betaing
Gin Akasarahsmom: and she does… Jazzy is a great beta reader
Xenavirgin: QH fics… Happy Dancing, tappitytaptaptaptaptappitytaptaptaptaptappityslidespinshuffletappitytappitytaptaptaptapJAZZHANDS!!!!
jazwriter: ty, Gin
punky_96: maybe not the right time/place, but I really want to thank all the betas in the fandom. they make a huge difference!
Ravenfairy11: lol nice XV
jazwriter: XV, give me my hands back, please
quietheartedfsc: So what made you decide to create new ways to keep the fandom alive? Gun, we’ll start with you.
gunbrooke: I second that punky_96 – the betas rock!
raiderL: Always the time and place punky! Can’t thank ’em enough!
Xenavirgin: Pppfffft. We have photographic proof of what my Jazz hands are….but not yours. heheh
quietheartedfsc: Wthout them I’d be a shadow of my writing self.
Ravenfairy11: oh more proof to use against XV? sounds fun. hehehe
Xenavirgin: How many more plot bunnies are in that hutch of yours QH?
Kayryn: In TDWP fandom, do you prefer short(ish) or epic stories?
quietheartedfsc: about a dozen
Xenavirgin: Hey Raven, what happened to the fangirling???
quietheartedfsc: This panel is always out of control. lol
punky_96: both i’m greedy
Xenavirgin: Kayryn we’re really lucky to have a healthy selection of both.
Ravenfairy11: *jumps around in her chair and squeels. yeah fangirling!!*
punky_96: QH, do you want us on task?
Gin Akasarahsmom: it needs to be two hours long
Ravenfairy11: i like both.
quietheartedfsc: might be nice, punk
raiderL: Yup. Def 2 hours!
Alma0_0: uy tiene mucho que empezó?
gunbrooke: I didn’t know there was a risk of it waning when I started the DWP FB group. I got the idea from Karin Kloppers as I was inundating her J/7 group with my DWP updates. I was a latecomer to the fandom and it took me a while to realize that a lot of the “oldies” in the fandom was not as prolific anymore. I’m very glad I started the group though, as I think it serves a purpose along with LJ, FF.net, AO3, etc etc.
Ravenfairy11: gin we totally said that last year but didn’t get a 2 hour room. sadness.
Xenavirgin: Hola Alma
Kayryn: Gin, two hours writing or two hours reading? lol
Alma0_0: hola a todas
punky_96: hahahaha. i’m too slow
Gin Akasarahsmom: Two hours for this panel
quietheartedfsc: your turn punky, why the challenges
Gin Akasarahsmom: and Gun… thanks for asking me to help admin the FB group… it’s fun
Ravenfairy11: i like the fb group, i think it gives us more of a chance to get to know each other and hang out. instead of leaving messages all over the place. or what have you.
Xenavirgin: @ QH Facebook has a wonderful immidiacy to it.
gunbrooke: Yes, you were right they’re ready to be drafted. Didn’t give you much choice I’m afraid, Gin.
grdnofevrythng: There’s a fb group?
gunbrooke: I agree XV
punky_96: i wanted more to read and felt like DWP was fading. Gin had said something about the challenge at wintertime and how she’d need at least 6 months, so I threw it out there for July in January
grdnofevrythng: Sorry to butt in
raiderL: Yeah, even if I don’t have a lot of time to spend there – I still see the conversations in my email and it keeps me connected.
angelrose28: and we have come up with quite a few fic because of facebook
quietheartedfsc: FB link for grd please.
Xenavirgin: AHem… ANNOUNCEMENT… Bored-Random and I are planning on resurrecting the Mirandy Book Club anyone interested??
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… couldn’t have refused you anyway… I told you.. one day I’m going to grow up and write like you.
raiderL: what is the Miranday bookclub?
aloujaxon: i’m no longer on fb, tumblr, and the like. just lj, ff.net, ao3.
gunbrooke: The Mirandy Book Club? Do share, XV!
jazwriter: sure, XV
grdnofevrythng: I have missed the fandom.
quietheartedfsc: *blowing my whistle really loudly*
raiderL: My typing is in the jazzy school of typing!
Xenavirgin: GARNOFEVRTHING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Fangirllllllllinnnnnnnggggg SQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEE
punky_96: welcome grdnofeverrything!
jazwriter: LOL raider!
grdnofevrythng: Hi everyone!
Ravenfairy11: lol hehehe
gunbrooke: hi grdnofevrything!
angelrose28: qh brought out the whistle run
quietheartedfsc: there’s your link grd
Xenavirgin: Umm sorry, Gravitas firmly papier mached to my head again.
aloujaxon: hey grdnofevrything
jazwriter: awwww, Raven beat me!
Ravenfairy11: i win jazzy
grdnofevrythng: I really appreciate it
gunbrooke: gosh you guys are fast
grdnofevrythng: I met a lot of great people in this fandom and hung out with a few in NYC
quietheartedfsc: XV, your turn.
grdnofevrythng: Met Anne Hathaway too
Xenavirgin: My turn??
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… gun.. FB is open in another window for me..
Xenavirgin: Oh the Book Club… yeah
quietheartedfsc: no, the why you did it
gunbrooke: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh really, grdn?
aloujaxon: i remember the pic of u and anne
gunbrooke: dreamy sigh
Ravenfairy11: and now i don’t like her as much lol.
Gin Akasarahsmom: nice..
punky_96: is the yahoo group the same as the book club?
raiderL: yeah XV, splain please! what is the book club?
Xenavirgin: Well a lllllllllllloooooooooooonnnnnggg time ago when MsRadley had the Mirandy Forum we had a thread where we would pic a Mirandy fic all read it that week then get together through the day to leave a note on our thoughts and respond to each other’s comments.
Xenavirgin: And Bored Random and I were thinking of starting that up possibly on LJ and using the comment strings instead.
jazwriter: OMG…that sounds stressful for writers
gunbrooke: oh cool
quietheartedfsc: Book Club room is still there, btw.
aloujaxon: i remember that book club!!
grdnofevrythng: That sounds so fun
aloujaxon: i don’t remember the link though and i don’t have it bookmarked.
kats_blues: Sounds awesome, I’m in.
Xenavirgin: Annnnnnnnnnddddddd We wanted to maybe do a monthly Skype session for folk to get together and actually chat, chat about the picks of the month. :0
beachbum3668: LOL…Not if its YOUR story they’re reading…
angelrose28: sounds like fun
quietheartedfsc: nah, they tore into mine a couple times, jaz. Think of it as extreme betaing.
Xenavirgin: QH should remember the club, she was one of our Guest Authors that we grilled erm I mean asked nice questions to. heheh
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL
Alma0_0: Am seen other ones book club and some very crazy fic have taken shape
quietheartedfsc: I was the first one. NO one else would volunteer. lol
beachbum3668: I can’t imagine why not
jazwriter: I never heard of it before
Kayryn: I’m in if you can promise the fic I’m slowly writing will never be the fic of the month haha
punky_96: well you make it sound so appetizing, QH
Xenavirgin: Ahhh not writing fic Alma. ALL reading the same fic and discussing it.
Ravenfairy11: intriguing. hmmm
angelrose28: it might scare the muse
beachbum3668: ya think?
Alma0_0: ah, ok.
gunbrooke: I had this happen to me when the book circle I belong to decided to read my latest book last year and discuss it. With me there. I rest my case.
beachbum3668: Gun – you’re a braver man than I am gunga din
quietheartedfsc: lmao, it was actually fun. There’s a heap of fangirling, and some well thought out, but gentle questions from XV.
punky_96: god, what does it say about me that i’m curious about being in the hot seat now? lol
Xenavirgin: What you’re suggesting Alma is a Round Robin Fic where lots of people write a story together….we did that too. heheh I need to find that fic, it’s on my computer somewhere. lol
quietheartedfsc: I have it!!!!
raiderL: Me too punky, sounds intriguing!
Gin Akasarahsmom: our fic?
jazwriter: is that the Seamstress?
quietheartedfsc: it got down to just me and gin trading off each sentence
Gin Akasarahsmom: our Tag game?
Xenavirgin: Oooooooooooohhhhh please QH could you send it to me.
gunbrooke: Yes, actually, its usually quite a nice experience – even the constructive critique is delivered well, I’d say.
jazwriter: I have it too
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… I was looking for that the other day…
Xenavirgin: I think it is the Seamstress.
Alma0_0: I expect this be better because experience I do not taste
Gin Akasarahsmom: Jazzy.. you won’t have the ones that QH and I traded off on… we ended up going off the forum for it
quietheartedfsc: I think the one I have is more lengthy. I believe gin and I traded it for a bit after the site went defunct.
Ravenfairy11: omg too much fangirling, it sounds like a writers orgy, head going to explode. *breathes into a paper bag*
Gin Akasarahsmom: yep…
raiderL: As long as the critiques are constructive it’s all good.
punky_96: there was also a round robin on ysosrsmisranda, i didn’t get a chance to read it so i’m not sure if it’s still there
Gin Akasarahsmom: we sure did
Xenavirgin: I will let everyone know the When and Where when Bored Random and I get together.
Gin Akasarahsmom: cool
Gin Akasarahsmom: sounds like fun
punky_96: Bored Random? Please explain, XV
Otakugamer01: anyone planning on reading/ignoring the new book The Devil Wears Revenge?
Xenavirgin: That’s one of our DWP lurkers and occasional commenters.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I’m ignoring it
punky_96: i will likely be ignoting it
beachbum3668: At the risk of being stomped on, I’d like to gently steer us back toward the topic of keeping the fandom alive. Does anyone here see a trend that the fandom is fading?
angelrose28: I read the first two chapter and stopped
quietheartedfsc: ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn’t read the first one, and sure not gonna read this one.
punky_96: oh. i’ve not seen the name before
Kayryn: @Ota, I bought it, skimmed it through and was soooooo disappointed
Gin Akasarahsmom: why should the second book be any different than the first one? LOL.. I go by the movie
Xenavirgin: Ignoring the book Otak…like I did the first one. Strictly a movie gal.
raiderL: Cross your fingers everyone we don’t lose power have a severe thunderstorm heading our way! It would totally suck if I lost my internet connection before the hour’s up!!!
punky_96: I see the trend, QH. That’s part of why I challenged the com and have been trying out other fandoms
Gin Akasarahsmom: nope… I don’t really see it fading…
quietheartedfsc: OKAY, REIGNING THE FANGIRLS BACK IN NOW.
grdnofevrythng: I can say that I’ve seen a few of my fellow Gleeks discovering Mirandy fics
Gin Akasarahsmom: it’s amazing.. one book… one 2 hour movie… but LARGE amounts of fanfic
gunbrooke: BeachBum – earlier this year, I felt there was a lull – but the latest challenges etc has showed people are indeed ready to tackle more stories.
grdnofevrythng: so I’m thinking it’s not lost it’s touch
punky_96: Are they discovering them on LJ or other places?
Silverie: fading readers or fading writers?
grdnofevrythng: They were reading Truth and Measure
grdnofevrythng: so I think lj
beachbum3668: We talked about archiving fic in the Voyager panel earlier. Because so many sites have gone away and those fics are lost. Should we start thinking along those lines in Mirandy?
angelrose28: I first found dwp on ff and i discoverd lj
raiderL: I think because it was only 2hours of canon there is so much potential for interpretation and creativity. Hence longevity.
Gin Akasarahsmom: XV is our Archive
grdnofevrythng: Random_flores was the reason I even started reading that fic
punky_96: cool. i know i’ve ‘met’ a few new folks, but i feel like it is much slower in writing and comments than it was when i came in, um, 2009, i think
Xenavirgin: Well I have two external Hard drives where I store everything I harvest and I try to harvest everything.
Gin Akasarahsmom: There are always lulls in the output…
grdnofevrythng: And I still, 4 years later, get messages from people about fics
jazwriter: I pulled a few over from HP
gunbrooke: XV is a true pearl IMHO
grdnofevrythng: I think there’s still a pull
aloujaxon: i think it’s only natural that fandom’s sometimes reach a lull or fade. it’s like tv to me…u can only write so much and then it starts to get (u know where i’m going)
quietheartedfsc: That’s not totally true, punky. not tooting my own horn, but yeah, playing a ragtime jaz on it, 1 story, 24 hours, 984 hits, 26 comments.
Gin Akasarahsmom: I do think that the vibrant characters and the lack of actual material make it very easy to write for…
punky_96: perhaps i’m more sensitive to it, because my first fandom was Grey’s Anatomy with the Erica/Callie pairing and that pairing has pretty much disappeared
Xenavirgin: Interestingly several of my older fandoms seem to be getting an influx of new interest readers and writers who are coming in from the current fandoms like Glee and Ouat and Rizzles.
Gin Akasarahsmom: comments are always lacking…
quietheartedfsc: I think it’s just LJ com that’s fading.
grdnofevrythng: That’s what happens in fandoms for me. The same fic gets written over and over again and it starts to get redundant
jazwriter: and the dichotomy of experienced businesswoman versus untried, young assistant…so much fodder there
Gin Akasarahsmom: 1000 readers… maybe 20 comments…
gunbrooke: I am editing my next novel which is sort of uber DWP – which I hope will help find new readers (and writers) – I try to mention this community, as in you guys, in my acknowledgement pages.
Gin Akasarahsmom: nice Gun…
Xenavirgin: Good point QH about LJ, and that does concern me because it is the largest collection of DWP out there.
grdnofevrythng: Well, I can tell you something that might be a boost
aloujaxon: it always puzzled me in the law & order fandom for instance, the lack of ‘serena’ fics. esp. since it came out (after she left the show) that she was lesbian…
grdnofevrythng: a few people in the Glee fandom did “faberrycon”
grdnofevrythng: and next weekend, they’re be doing a second one
yurianimeotaku: As a reader, I follow my favorite authors from fandom to fandom. I found DWP by following QH.
Alkmaion: Out of curiousity is a dominant pairing like M/A a godsend or a handicap in keeping up the flow?
Kayryn: punky I think there’s a difference between Erica/Callie and Mirandy, though… Mirandy will be together as we have no new material to draw from, whereas Erica left and Callie married Arizona, so that’s bound to shift the interest of some fans
quietheartedfsc: Thank you, Yuri. Can I ask where you followed me from?
angelrose28: I follwed jazzy to hp
raiderL: And I found OUAT by following Chilly Flame
yurianimeotaku: Facts of Life
Gin Akasarahsmom: having a dominant pair makes it easy
jazwriter: the challenge is somehow finding equal ground for M/A…otherwise their relationship will not work, for me
Gin Akasarahsmom: keeping them in character is a handicap..
quietheartedfsc: I still have one of those in the bunny hutch.
Xenavirgin: I was dragged kicking and screaming “shan’t” from the J/7 world into DWP.
Gin Akasarahsmom: Ha!… Facts of Life QH!… Imagine that
grdnofevrythng: Wait. Is Chilly Flame writing OUAT?
jazwriter: ty, Angel!
Xenavirgin: Yes GRd she is.
Ravenfairy11: yes she most certainly is.
aloujaxon: that’s a big yes to chilly flame & OUAT
punky_96: occasionally i find dominant pairing to be limiting as there’s not as much interest in A/E or M/E. but i tend to skirt the fringe anyway
raiderL: And damn it’s good!
jazwriter: beach got me interested in DWP
quietheartedfsc: especially considering I followed Gin from FOL to DWP
Kayryn: Chilly Flames OUaT fics are just as amazing as her TDWP fics
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… but Chilly can write ANYTHING and it will be great
grdnofevrythng: It’s true
Alkmaion: I like A/E…
Xenavirgin: But Punky is good…she gets me to read Emily/Andy and I’m an OTP Mirandy me.
beachbum3668: You never let me forget that, do you JAZZY?
aloujaxon: I was reading chilly before I knew she was chilly! I read her ER stuff a LONGGGGG time ago.
raiderL: I fell into DWP from Voyager. Was on ralst looking for something new and decided to see what the hell it was all about because I couldn’t see it!
yurianimeotaku: My readers follow me from fandom to fandom…kicking and screaming.
jazwriter: I tell everyone, BB!!
punky_96: ha. thanks XV
Gin Akasarahsmom: hehehe
Alma0_0: I am asking for the writers not death of character in the fic, unless they resuscitate you although it is with magic, please…Mention please??
Xenavirgin: Anytime Mistress.
gunbrooke: I guess it is the may-december aspect that also makes me interested – my former fandom J/7 and a new fandom (for me) The Closer (Brenda/Sharon) all follow that pattern a bit.
quietheartedfsc: I love E/S. There needs to be more E/S
Gin Akasarahsmom: How many of us have found another fandom just because they sounded good on Ralst’s site?
punky_96: I agree Alma. I prefer a content note about character death
grdnofevrythng: I also love E/S
Kayryn: When I first watched TDWP, I actually wanted to read Emily/Andrea but there were like two stories I could find… then it took me a few years to finally succumb and read Mirandy
jazwriter: I’m all about the older/younger pairing
Xenavirgin: Alma. Are you asking for Fic recommendations?
Gin Akasarahsmom: older/younger is my thing…
grdnofevrythng: I’ve written Emily/Andy like twice
Otakugamer01: i also like that dynamic gunbrooke
Ravenfairy11: ditto with gin and jazzymeister.
Alma0_0: And that I did not put on demanding and ask them of not match up to my favorite girls with other ones
beachbum3668: Older/younger works for me as long as the younger isn’t a doormat
grdnofevrythng: but they don’t resonate the same way with me as Mirandy
angelrose28: I wonder over to the damages fandom after read a few crossovers
raiderL: I like exploring the power balance and the age dif really opens up the field for that
quietheartedfsc: Sorry, Alma, I think my CD fic was the best thing I’ve ever written.
Kayryn: @grdn – same here
yurianimeotaku: @Gin I started reading Cold Case from seeing it listed on P&P.
Otakugamer01: i like fics in which Andy surprises Miranda with more knowledge on relationships…
punky_96: QH that was beautiful. but I think you let us know up front that there would be tears
gunbrooke: Beachbum – a doormat would be such a turnoff
Xenavirgin: Well yeah but you reunited them…after tearing our hearts out.
quietheartedfsc: Yep, double jazzy alert on that one.
aloujaxon: i like the older/younger dynamic too. i have always been attracted to/hung out with folks older than me.
raiderL: Another turn off is doormat Miranda when she is in the relationship
beachbum3668: TOTALLY out of character
Kayryn: @raider, TOTALLY agreed
Xenavirgin: Totally Raidr I hate secret door mat Miranda.
Gin Akasarahsmom: that is why I like Miranda/Andy… they hold their own with each other
gunbrooke: raiderL – totally agree – Miranda as a doormat would tilt my world off its axis
raiderL: I won’t even read the fics if Miranda is portrayed that way.
Alma0_0: No, XV, only a bad sentiment lets me when there is a death of character
quietheartedfsc: I admit to having one or the other dominate from time to time, but no doormats for anyone.
Xenavirgin: My Cretan Princess Andrea gets a bit feisty in the next Chapter of Lord of the Nile.
Xenavirgin: Gotcha Alma.
punky_96: XV, you tease!
beachbum3668: And when can we be expecting that XV?
Otakugamer01: i’m not saying Miranda is a doormat, but Andy needs to have a special something to keep up and be equal in the relationship
Gin Akasarahsmom: yay… lady of Grace…
quietheartedfsc: and when might we see that, xv?
Xenavirgin: Hopefully tomorrow BB.
Gin Akasarahsmom: woot
beachbum3668: HAPPY DANCE!!!1
gunbrooke: XV – yay!
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah… there has to be some give and take with Miranda/Andy…
quietheartedfsc: Three cheers for XV.
angelrose28: yay a new update from xv happy dance
Gin Akasarahsmom: they each have their own traits
gunbrooke: I’m in such a need of a lot of DWP…truly.
jazwriter: plenty around right now, Gun!
Xenavirgin: Well there’s loads waiting for you Gun, thanks to Punky’s cunning plan. hehehe
raiderL: Yes, QH, and you get that there’s a huge dif between submissive and doormat
Gin Akasarahsmom: have you read all the stories that have been posted for the Fic A Day challenge?
beachbum3668: Gun – you need to check out the LJ fic-a-thon. There have been some terrific stories posted this month
quietheartedfsc: I try, raider. I love playing with dynamics. *G*
Gin Akasarahsmom: at least one every day this month
punky_96: right on, raider! you portrayed that so well in this recent fic!
gunbrooke: I can’t promise any particular date, but I’ve almost finished “Give in to Me” – one of my guilty conscience stories.
Kayryn: Do a lot of you writers use a sounding board while you write/plan, or do you just write and then in the end send it off to the beta?
raiderL: ty punky
Xenavirgin: Yayayayya Gun fic.
beachbum3668: I bounce things off Gin every other day
Gin Akasarahsmom: depends on the fic Kayryn
gunbrooke: raiderL – your latest was freakin’ fabulous
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… that too
quietheartedfsc: Gin’s the sounding board, and Jazzy is the main beta.
grdnofevrythng: I used to, Kayryn, but I haven’t had one in a while
raiderL: Thank you Gun!
Gin Akasarahsmom: yeah… they all talk to me.. 😛
Xenavirgin: @Kayryn I do a story outline that has points beginning middle and end that then need to be connected.
raiderL: I think I had the most fun writing this one of them all
gunbrooke: I’ve been known to bounce with Brithna (Laura), Kayryn.
Gin Akasarahsmom: outline?! pfft…
Xenavirgin: For something like Lord of the Nile I use a fullblown storyboarding system.
raiderL: I don’t use a sounding board really, I write it and then fire it off to the beta
punky_96: i do a bit of both depending on who is around/available and how much flow i have going into a story. i prefer to have a beta, but am definitely guilty of not having one sometimes
gunbrooke: Cool, XV, that’s my usual MO too
beachbum3668: I make notes in notebooks – literally handwritten notes. I have a s**tload of ’em
Gin Akasarahsmom: I do bounce things off of QH.. and BB… and sometimes I’ll bend Ravenfairy’s ear…
Xenavirgin: Nice Gun, I write like the big girls then. heheh
Ravenfairy11: yeah bending of ears.
grdnofevrythng: I’m glad people are still writing fics so actively. It’s nice to see
raiderL: Altho I have been known to knock on Gun’s door occasionally for a bit of a morale boost
quietheartedfsc: For deflection, I kept notes as I wrote it. Q’butt da muse grrl seldom shares with me what she has planned.
gunbrooke: LOL, XV!
Xenavirgin: There’s always room for more Grdn.
Kayryn: I think it’s cos I don’t write much, but I’m always doubting my ideas and I end up talking myself out of writing…
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol… I’ll beg Gun to read my stuff every once in a while.. I know she’s busy though
Gin Akasarahsmom: no idea is ‘wrong’
beachbum3668: You know those essay notebooks with the black and white speckled covers that you used in grade school?
grdnofevrythng: lol I sometimes think about coming back if for no other reason than to finish “No Matter The Miles”
Gin Akasarahsmom: I promise.. at least one other person will like it..
grdnofevrythng: I just don’t think I’m the same kind of writer 4 years later
gunbrooke: Gin – yes on and off I’m busy – but when I read through your last long thing where they got married…I was dead to the world.
punky_96: Grdn, will there be more of No Matter the Miles or has too much time gone by?
quietheartedfsc: Karyn you have to just write it anyway. You can’t tell if an idea is good or bad until you develop it.
aloujaxon: no matter the miles! would love to see it finished!
beachbum3668: Those are what I use. I block the story arc, make research notes, write dialogue everything in them
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… thanks Gun
Kayryn: @QH, meh… your’re right
grdnofevrythng: I could finish it. I just worry it wouldn’t be the same. I’m certainly willing to consider it
Xenavirgin: Kayryn, other than my drunken Truth or Dare loss that resulted in my first posted fic in J/7 it was talking over ideas with Gin and QH and others that gave me the confidence to write for DWP. Then when I get blocked Punky is great at giving me a constructive shake.
gunbrooke: I have to really reel myself in so I don’t “over-research” – it is a lot of fun.
punky_96: i would love to see it finished, but I know what its like to return after a while has gone by to finish something
quietheartedfsc: There’s several of mine I thought were sucky ideas. Usually the ones Gin yells at me for not sending her first.
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL!
beachbum3668: that’s why you have betas. To whack you over the head if you go too far afield
Xenavirgin: Oh Grdn I’d give you my first born and my complete original Star Wars Collection if you finished No Matter the Miles Seriously!!
Gin Akasarahsmom: yes… betas are important
gunbrooke: Any other writer than me having issues with fear of not being original enough?
Gin Akasarahsmom: always
beachbum3668: choose me!
punky_96: i don’t generally plan too much. i just start typing. if i get ahead of myself run out of time i’ll put some bullet points at the bottom of my file
Gin Akasarahsmom: always Gun
grdnofevrythng: Oh goodness LOL
Silverie: so when y’all think about nurturing this community, what exactly are you thinking of? more writers? more readers? more interest? more…..what?
Xenavirgin: Cookies any kind you want Rum truffles, Chocolate heavens, Baileys and amaretto double chocolate muffins.
raiderL: No, gun, I usually worry that I’m too far out there!
grdnofevrythng: I think some of all Silverie
jazwriter: I have been known to whack my writers over the head…
quietheartedfsc: Grdn picking up after a hiatus can be hard, but it can be done. After 2 years I just did it 4 times. Wasn’t easy, but doable.
Gin Akasarahsmom: interest is always necessary… but more writers.. and readers are too
Ravenfairy11: *makes a note to wear a helmet if sending jazzy anything*
jazwriter: I use outlines and summaries when I have to do some research…for crossovers or meshing with other works
grdnofevrythng: That’s why I mentioned Faberrycon
punky_96: Silverie, interaction of all of the above
Silverie: then is the question about how to do that?
grdnofevrythng: when I met Anne, a few of us, went on the DWP tour of NYC
jazwriter: don’t believe XV…she promised me cookies…
beachbum3668: How do we get some of the newer writers hooked on using betas?
Xenavirgin: You keep moving Jazzy!
Silverie: and by interaction, you mean what exactly?
quietheartedfsc: OK, slightly OT, how would ya’ll feel about a DWP mini-con.
grdnofevrythng: and then saw her in Shakespeare in the Park
Kayryn: Beach, you don’t have to talk me into that
raiderL: QH – love it!
gunbrooke: love it, QH
beachbum3668: Love it QH
punky_96: Gun, I was told one time in a college English class that nothing is original. It’s all a mathematical formula like this: A plus or minus B divided by C
yurianimeotaku: @BB Promise them cookies?
Xenavirgin: Where do I get my tickets QH???
Kayryn: I wouldn’t dream of posting a story before beta
gunbrooke: this fandom deserves it
Gin Akasarahsmom: I don’t know if you can convince someone that they need a beta reader… if they don’t think they do
raiderL: bb – how do you get them to not feel slighted if you suggest it?
quietheartedfsc: K, ty
angelrose28: most don’t know who to ask
Gin Akasarahsmom: sometimes it’s a matter of them just not being able to find one…
yurianimeotaku: @Gin I agree…especially some of the new younger writers (I refuse to call them authors).
Silverie: some people have no idea what the heck a beta is…besides a pretty little fish that likes to fight…..and what a beta can do for you
Gin Akasarahsmom: sometimes they don’t think they need one
beachbum3668: Perhaps they NEED to feel slighted. Not that I want to go around being queen mean or anything, but the fandom does NOT thrive if all that’s being posted is dreck
punky_96: silverie, i think interaction would be in the comments and PMs. i used to get a lot of ideas from talking with other users
quietheartedfsc: here’s one for you on the beta subject. I’ve run across several writers recently that can’t find a beta. They want them but they’re not out there.
grdnofevrythng: When I was big in the fandom, I made a post encouraging the use of betas
beachbum3668: Give ’em JAZZY’s email addy
Kayryn: The first time I ever wrote fic, I just wrote to an author whose stories I liked and asked if she knew anyone who would be willing to beta
grdnofevrythng: and it started a war
Gin Akasarahsmom: LOL… Jazzy is busy
jazwriter: LOL, thanks BB
wo1989: might be an accessibility thing. if i didn’t know my beta in real life i have no idea of how to get one… there is a secret dungeon on the internet somewhere with all these magic betas
raiderL: It’s funny, I didn’t have a beta until the last few chaps of Hurricane and then Gift – I didn’t send folks running without a beta but my god they make it so much better. It was a revelation!
Xenavirgin: Did it Grdn???
punky_96: yes, but i read it and loved it, Grdn!
grdnofevrythng: yes because writers are all ego
aloujaxon: i remember that grdn
grdnofevrythng: it’s what makes you post your stuff in the first place
beachbum3668: I know that my first fic was made 1000% better when I took the beta’s suggestions
grdnofevrythng: it’s like being an actor
jazwriter: I’ve had writers just write to me to ask for help finding a beta. Sometimes I offered, and other times I referred out
Xenavirgin: I must have left my ego on the train. lol
gunbrooke: grdn – really? wow. well – could be the same reason why whenever I’ve tried to leave constructive feedback when the writer asked for it – that I’ve gotten my head chewed off.
Silverie: so how are you going to invite new writers into community cause finding you all is a crap shoot, kinda…..
grdnofevrythng: but yeah, people were offended
raiderL: My beta wrote me a PM and volunteered.
punky_96: it’s awkward to not know someone but it can make all the difference in the world
yurianimeotaku: I wish more authors/writers used both a beta reader and an editor.
grdnofevrythng: and I’m sorry, but there’s nothing more distracting that misspelling and grammatical errors when reading
raiderL: tru dat grdn
quietheartedfsc: I never would have figured out how to find a beta when I first started. All you guys are intimidating. The only way I got one was XV patting me on the head and saying. “Give me that. it needs betaing.”
grdnofevrythng: people said “I shouldn’t feel like I need one.”
Xenavirgin: @Silverie, I think sometimes word of mouth or as it’s been pointed out people following writers from one fandom to another.
jazwriter: well, but writers get upset when constructive criticism is posted as a review. I would rather PM the person, and I have.
Gin Akasarahsmom: EVERY writer needs a beta reader
beachbum3668: SILENCE RAINED. ‘Nuff said…
punky_96: did she use her comma club, QH?
aloujaxon: @grdn ain’t that the truth. if a story is too much of a task to read, then i won’t read it
Xenavirgin: I know a couple new members on my Yahoo group came to check out DWP from Ouat because of Chilly Flame.
angelrose28: we need a list of betas
Gin Akasarahsmom: not one book is on the shelf at the library that didn’t go across an editor’s desk first
Kayryn: the thing for me about using a beta is that I want the people who read my stories to be able to read them without that little voice in their head going “typo” or “there should be a comma there”
beachbum3668: Amen Gin
gunbrooke: I mention this fandom to anyone that will show the least bit interest–whether they are J/7 fans, read my novels, my colleagues at BSB, family, etc…I do shameless DWP promo.
Kayryn: It makes it for a more pleasurable read
grdnofevrythng: If people want a mini-con, I’d be willing to help plan it
raiderL: I was afraid of wasting someone’s time asking them to beta/edit when I first started!
punky_96: i’m in for a mini-con
Gin Akasarahsmom: we have a mini con on Facebook pretty much every day
Gin Akasarahsmom: lol
yurianimeotaku: @Kayrn That’s why you need a beta reader AND an editor.
grdnofevrythng: lol but this wolud be in NY
Ravenfairy11: so true gin!!
angelrose28: yay mini -con
Xenavirgin: True Dat GIn.
gunbrooke: If a minicon needs a DWP poster or banner, I volunteer to create it. Just ping me about it.
grdnofevrythng: seeing the sights
grdnofevrythng: and just talking
aloujaxon: i’m not on fb…
Ravenfairy11: we were discussing minion bracelets.
grdnofevrythng: maybe viewing the movie
grdnofevrythng: hanging out
beachbum3668: think of it this way: the people reading your story know nothing about you as a person, only what they discern from reading your story. If it’s full of grammatical errors, spelling errors, holes in the plot and has no continuity what does that say about YOU as a person?
Gin Akasarahsmom: ah… couldn’t travel for it.. sorry grdn
grdnofevrythng: I think it could be fun
grdnofevrythng: where are you Gin?
Xenavirgin: QH is Ralst’s Minon #1.
Gin Akasarahsmom: It would be GREAT FUN… but travel is too much
Kayryn: @beach – exactly
Gin Akasarahsmom: Kentucky
Xenavirgin: I’m Mistress Punky’s Minon #1
quietheartedfsc: I was thinking more along those 2 hours ya’ll want.
jazwriter: I’ve been told I’m very romantic…lol
Ravenfairy11: aww if we have to travel somewhere, i will hide in jazzymeisters luggage.
beachbum3668: Have a mini-con online
quietheartedfsc: lol, cause this hour is just about up.
beachbum3668: Not hard to get a chat room or two going
jazwriter: ok, Raven!
Xenavirgin: Yeah mini online COn.
yurianimeotaku: @BB Try finding all those editorial problems in a book you BOUGHT! That SUCKS.
Kayryn: I’m also for the online mini-con
raiderL: Next year, two hours!
beachbum3668: I know and agree yuri
quietheartedfsc: I set up a mini-con in the main room.
gunbrooke: I got to go my lovelies
beachbum3668: starting when qh?
punky_96: when, QH?
jazwriter: and if anyone needs/wants a beta, PM me
gunbrooke: late in Sweden
raiderL: By Gun!
gunbrooke: nite nite everybody!
Xenavirgin: Huggles Gun. Great to see you.
Ravenfairy11: night gun!
Gin Akasarahsmom: great to see ya Gun!
beachbum3668: bye Gun
angelrose28: night gun
aloujaxon: night night gun
grdnofevrythng: nice meeting you gun
Kayryn: Later in Finland, Gun
gunbrooke: Kayryn – LOL! of course!!!!!
quietheartedfsc: Maybe in a month or so?
aloujaxon: mini-con in the main room?
quietheartedfsc: night gun
raiderL: Cool I’ll be there QH!
beachbum3668: two minutes left sportsfans
punky_96: okay. just let us know
Xenavirgin: What now??
Silverie: bonne nuit, Gun
angelrose28: so mini – con in a month ?
jazwriter: back to moving boxes…bye
Gin Akasarahsmom: have fun Jazzy
raiderL: bye Jazz
punky_96: bye Jaz!
Kayryn: qh, sounds good
quietheartedfsc: I’ll post a notice on the DWP LJ, and my LJ, plus FB and one to XV for the Yahoo Group with date and time.
quietheartedfsc: bye jazzy
Ravenfairy11: don’t hurt yourself or sweat too much jazzy.
Xenavirgin: Yeah we can go over all the great July fic.
raiderL: bye all!
aloujaxon: mini-con in a month or in the main room now?
beachbum3668: Excellent QH. Our very own breakout con!
punky_96: bye raider!
Xenavirgin: By Jazmeister
quietheartedfsc: in a month
Gin Akasarahsmom: Yay.. inspectorboxer!
beachbum3668: Bye Jazzy
Nancylee: Hi Pepito
aloujaxon: bye all…
Nora Delaney: Hello!
raiderL: Heading over to ralst to read some QH!